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Operator: We'll now begin the LY Corporation financial results briefing for the second quarter of fiscal year 2025. Thank you very much for joining us today. We will be referring to the financial results presentation available on the LINE and Yahoo! LY Corporation website. During today's session, we kindly ask you to follow along with the material. Joining us today from LY Corporation are Mr. Takeshi Idezawa, President and CEO; Mr. Ryosuke Sakaue, Executive Corporate Officer, CFO; Mr. Yuki Ikehata, Corporate -- Executive Corporate Officer, Corporate Business Domain Lead; Mr. Makoto Hide, Executive Corporate Officer, Commerce Domain lead; Mr. Hiroshi Kataoka, Executive Corporate Officer, Media and Search Domain lead. First, Mr. Idezawa will provide an overview of our financial results for the second quarter of fiscal year 2025. Following his presentation, we will hold a Q&A session. The entire briefing is scheduled to take approximately 1 hour. We will be live and streaming this session. If there is any distortion or inconvenience in the video or audio, please try alternate server link.
Takeshi Idezawa: This is Idezawa of LY Corporation. First, before explaining our financial results, I would like to comment on the system failure caused by a ransomware attack that occurred at our group company, ASKUL Corporation on October 19 and the partial leakage of information held by the company. We sincerely apologize for the significant concern and inconvenience caused to our customers who use our services as well as to our business partners. The details regarding the damage potential information leakage and recovery status have already been communicated by ASKUL. The company is continuing to work closely with external experts prioritizing a safe and prompt restoration of systems while investigating the cause and confirming the scope of impact including any personal data. LY Corporation is fully cooperating with all recovery and investigation efforts. As the parent company, we take this matter seriously, and are committed to restoring the situation and preventing recurrence and strengthen the information security framework across the entire group. Now let me explain our second quarter financial results. Please turn to the next page. First, here is an overview of the second quarter results. Consolidated revenue was JPY 505.7 billion, up 9.4% Y-o-Y. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA grew 11.3% Y-o-Y to JPY 125.4 billion showing solid profit growth. Additionally, progress in AI agentization and the expansion of LINE Official Account and Mini apps are progressing smoothly, preparations for the LINE renew are also steadily progressing. Home tab refresh scheduled within the year. We will now proceed with the explanations in the order of the agenda you see here. First, the consolidated company-wide results. Next page, please. These are the results for the second quarter. Although consolidated revenue was slightly behind the guidance due to the decline in search advertising revenue, adjusted EBITDA and EPS are on track with the guidance. Next page, please. These are the consolidated performance trends, driven by the growth of PayPay consolidated and progress in efficiency improvements at LY Corporation, adjusted EBITDA grew 11.3% Y-o-Y, achieving double-digit profit growth. The margin also improved year-on-year. Next page, please. These are factors of change in consolidated adjusted EBITDA. Although expenses increased, revenue growth in the Strategic Business and Commerce Business outpaced the expense increase, resulting in a year-on-year increase of JPY 11.7 billion in adjusted EBITDA. BEENOS and LINE Bank Taiwan have been fully consolidated since the second quarter with the 2 companies contributing JPY 900 million to adjusted EBITDA. Next page, please. This is consolidated total advertising-related revenue. This quarter, commerce advertising achieved double-digit growth driven by increased transaction value and the total ad revenue grew by 2.4%. Next page, please. This is consolidated e-commerce transaction value. Domestic shopping transaction value grew 13.1% year-over-year, supported by last-minute demand ahead of the discontinuation for awarding points for hometown tax donation program. Reuse saw year-on-year growth of 15.7%, driven by Yahoo!'s lead market growth and BEENOS contribution. Next page, please. Regarding the upward revision of the dividend forecast, we conducted share repurchase during the first half of the current fiscal year and the cancellation of these shares was completed on September 3. Consequently, as the number of shares eligible for dividends has decreased, the annual dividend has been revised upward from JPY 7 to JPY 7.3. Next page, please. This is on progress on the LINE app revamp. The renewals of the talk, shopping and wallet tabs have been rolled out in phases since September. Home tab renewal is scheduled to make a test release this year. Next page, please. This is on optimization of management resources. Firstly, on human resources, we are reallocating to growth areas such as AI agents, which will be explained later, Official Accounts and MINI Apps. We will reallocate our human resources so that by FY 2028, 50% will be allocated to growth areas. We will reduce the fixed cost by JPY 15 billion by the end of fiscal year by 2026 and build a leaner financial structure. Next page, please. From here, I will explain the financial results by segment. Next page, please. First, the Media Business. Although both revenue and adjusted EBITDA declined, continuous cost-saving efforts are yielding results, leading to improvement of adjusted EBITDA margin on Q-on-Q basis. This is performance analysis of the Media Business. While search advertising revenue contracted, growth in account advertising drove an increase in total advertising revenue. Next page, please. Account advertising continues to perform strongly in both the number of paid LINE Official Accounts and pay-as-you-go revenue. As this is an area we are strengthening alongside MINI Apps, we will provide a more detailed explanation of future strategies and initiatives later. Next page, please. Next, the performance trends for the Commerce Business. Second quarter revenue reached JPY 216.6 billion, a year-on-year increase of 7.2%. Adjusted EBITDA was JPY 33.3 billion, although profit declined due to increased promotional expenses related to the hometown tax donation program, the decline narrowed compared to the previous quarter. Next page, please. Performance analysis of the Commerce Business. The business as a whole is expanding steadily. In addition to the full consolidation of BEENOS, Yahoo! Shopping and subsidiary growth contributed to increased revenue. Next page, please. performance trends for strategic businesses such as payment and financial services. Revenue continued to be driven by PayPay consolidated, reaching JPY 109.7 billion, a year-on-year increase of 35%. Adjusted EBITDA also continued to grow, reaching JPY 22.9 billion, an year-on-year increase of 52.1% with margin remaining at a high level. Next page, please. Performance analysis of strategic businesses. Payments and financial services are both growing steadily. Furthermore, the full consolidation of LINE Bank Taiwan contributed to increased revenue. PayPay consolidated business overview. Each service is growing smoothly. Our number of payment per user and unit price, those KPIs are progressing smoothly. As a result, consolidated sales has increased Y-o-Y, plus 30.4%. Consolidated EBITDA was more than doubled. So the second quarter showed a significant strong growth. Next, from here, I will explain our key strategy going forward. Next page, please. As our company-wide key strategy, we will advance as 2 wheels that agentization of all services and the enhancement of Official Account and MINI Apps. In agentization for the 100 million users using our services, we will provide services like search, media, finance and commerce more conveniently via AI agents. And for corporate clients such as businesses, companies, stores and brands, we will provide customer contact points and business support function through our function enhances Official Accounts and MINI Apps by improving the value provided to both users and clients and by seamlessly connecting both via AI agents, we will realize new service experiences and expansion of revenue opportunities. Please turn to the next page. First, regarding our initiatives for AI agentization. First, our goal is daily AI agent used by our 100 million users in Japan, aiming for 100 million DAU. Currently, in October, DAU for AI services is 8.6 million, especially AI answers on Yahoo! JAPAN search and LINE AI Talk Suggestions are used frequently and user numbers have begun to expand. Also for AI Talk Suggest, user billing has started and monetization efforts has also begun. Going forward, we will promote AI agentization of each service and aim to expand users. Next page, please. Next, regarding the enhancement of OA, Official Account and MINI Apps. But before talking about the specific initiatives, I'd like to explain the structural transformation of the Media Business. Earlier, I explained the revenue decline in search advertisement in the Media Business, while steadily bolstering the conventional search and display advertising businesses, we will achieve sales and profit growth by further growing OA and MINI Apps where we can provide our original value. Over the next 3 years, we will increase the share of high gross margin OA and MINI Apps to about 40% and aim for an adjusted EBITDA margin of 40% to 45%. First, regarding the performance of OA, Official Accounts in Japan over the last 3 years, our track record, the number of paid OAs improved by a CAGR of 14% and ARPA also improved. And as a result, OA revenue also grew 16% annually on average and sales have grown to the scale of JPY 100 billion in Japan and JPY 140 billion, including global. Please turn to the next page. On top of this OA growth foundation by further building a MINI App platform and adding a SaaS-like store support solutions, will create a multilayered revenue structure and aim to double sales in 3 years. This fiscal year, as I mentioned, doubling the JPY 140 billion to JPY 280 billion. In this fiscal year, we will first focus on expanding MINI Apps based on OA and launching the SaaS business. Important KPIs for the revenue models of each areas are shown in the lower section of this page. MINI Apps are -- our scale expansion is very important for KPIs in the growth phase. In OA SaaS, we set ARPA improvement as KPIs. But we think these KPIs as leading indicators to monitor our business goals. Next page. Let me explain structurally. First, there is an OA, Official Account as a base. Currently, there are 1.3 million active Official Accounts used in Japan, in which number of paid Official Accounts are 310,000. We see the target accounts for future expansion such as businesses, companies, stores and brands at about 5 million. So we can still grow the number of OA accounts, and we will also further increase the ratio of paid accounts. The second layer, MINI Apps to OA using companies and stores, we will propose a customer contact point via MINI Apps, expanding MINI Apps numbers, growing users and creating businesses like payments and ads within them. The third layer is SaaS solutions, developing specialized support for high affinity industries like Store DX or reservations, aiming to raise ARPA. Service launch planned for 2026 first half. And we'll have more new solutions at the right timing when we can introduce them to you, we will. We will provide services more broadly and deeply and provide a deeper solution via SaaS by industry to expand our sales. Finally, regarding the recent growth of MINI Apps, as you can see on the left-hand side graph, number of apps has increased by 1.5x and the number of users has increased by 1.6x, steady growth. And we are strengthening our sales structures. We are enhancing proposal to bigger companies and installation at large enterprises like these are beginning. As you can see, and as a measure to strengthen inflow, we are leveraging LINE touch, which allows users to instantly launch MINI Apps at stores and the LINE apps revamp focusing MINI Apps will also begin. So we will further expand both the number of apps and the users and build a situation where businesses like advertising payments that can be provided. Let's turn to the next page. And finally, a summary of the Q2 financial results. Sales and profit expanded steadily. Our company performance was -- experienced a solid growth. Going forward, centered on AI agentization and Official Accounts and MINI Apps, we will accelerate the growth. We will promote AI agentization across all services, offer AI services to 100 million users and create new value. Also, we will enhance OA and MINI Apps. And while transforming the media portfolio, we will achieve growth and improved profitability. This concludes our Q2 financial results explanation. Thank you very much.
Operator: We would like to now begin the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] First from Goldman Sachs Securities, Munakata-san.
Minami Munakata: I'm Munakata from Goldman Sachs. I have 2 questions. My first question is on search ads. In the first quarter and also in the second quarter, the impression I got is this business is quite tough. The degree of toughness, is it correct to understand that it's the extension of the first quarter? Or are there any additional reasons? And on search ad, what would be the realistic guidance towards the second half? That's my first question.
Ryosuke Sakaue: Thank you for the question. I am Sakaue. I'm the CFO. Let me reply to your question. Second quarter year-on-year is worse compared to Q1. One of the factor is one major client budget allocation was weak, and that continued into the second quarter. And in addition, in other clients, the budget reduction happened. This I'm referring to large EC companies in Japan and vertical companies declined, and that can be called additional from Q1. So that was the additional factor for Q-on-Q deterioration. And Q3, Q4, I think the degree of negative -- negativity is same as Q2. For Q3 and Q4 as well, that is our forecast.
Minami Munakata: I have a follow-up question. There are other clients with quite reduction. Is there any structural reason such as shifting in-house or revisiting ROI of advertising? Is it more of an economic trend? What is the nuance?
Yuki Ikehata: This is Ikehata. Let me reply to your question. This is Ikehata. I would like to add some more comments. In addition, there were some industry -- well, in addition to prior quarter's reduction trend in other industry, partially, that is -- there was a reduction in ad spend for search ad. The concept of ad placement, I don't think that is such a reason. But overall, LINE Yahoo! search ad performance is being monitored and the advertisers operate. So based on that, there is -- there was a decline in ad placement. We will continue to work on the performance improvement of search ad, and that would lead to getting these customers back. So rather than any unique circumstances, we are to continuously work on performance improvement of search ad.
Minami Munakata: I understood fully. Another question is on MINI App. This time, various figures were presented and outline was explained, and I was able to learn. Thank you very much for that. The portfolio shift -- this chart has been shown. Just to reconfirm display and search, basically, it's very difficult to grow these areas. Is that the assumption you are setting? And JPY 140 billion to be expanded to JPY 280 billion, that has been rather difficult. And what is the pathway you envision? For example, from the first half of 2026, you're going to start SaaS service. So from the second half of next year, do you expect the sales to accelerate?
Takeshi Idezawa: This is Idezawa. Let me answer your question. Display, search, naturally, the measures to revamp or to boost them, we are taking measures. And also thanks to the organizational change that we have implemented, we are able to implement activities to work on recovery. But structurally speaking, I don't think this is an area where we can expect high growth rate. So from that perspective, we will support the baseline for the display, search. And then apps will drive the growth. And we have the target of Official Account doubling and CAGR-wise, it has been 16%. And so we have this growth of OA, Official Account as a basis. And to add on top of that, we are going to provide MINI Apps and SaaS services. So we will be pursuing the target by having breakdowns or compositions in mind. On MINI App, it's not a linear growth, but when we have a certain number of clients, then we can expect a significant activation. So the MINI App platform will be stronger in the later half. And then that would be the overall picture.
Operator: Next question from SMBC Nikko, Mr. Maeda, please.
Eiji Maeda: This is Maeda from SMBC Nikko. I have 2 questions as well, please. I'll be recapping the previous comments regarding search linked ad. Together with popularization of GenAI, the negative impact to queries. And when I look at the performance, some of the clients looks like ad placements are declining in numbers. So because of this GenAI, the performance is having a negative hit on the flip side. If you could please share more on the recent trend? And also for the market, we -- there is still a concern that GenAI rise can be a negative for a search-linked ad. If you could please share your outlook, that would be great.
Ryosuke Sakaue: Thank you, Mr. Maeda. Sakaue, I will start, then possibly Kataoka will follow up. At the moment, Yahoo! Search, 10% of query comes from AI search. And at the same time, the answers from AI search are business query where there is no opportunity for search-linked ad, like questions and answers. Those are the search keywords that we get. So it doesn't have much impact to our revenue and profit making. But at the same time, mid- to long term, regarding those business query, I would think that the there will be more use on use of GenAI. So media and search, we expect the next 3 years to be flat plus extra.
Hiroshi Kataoka: This is Kataoka speaking. As Sakaue mentioned, number of queries for search have not resulted in significant decline in the number of queries. There is no major time shift in the search trend. And ad performance itself hasn't deteriorated. So within this big global trend, there's more use cases from GenAI are increasing. And I'm sure more of our clients companies are considering to further use GenAI. We believe that there will be opportunity, the monetization business opportunity when it comes to GenAI-led search as well. So we are considering various different means to monetize.
Eiji Maeda: Second question, regarding Commerce Business. In second quarter, each services growth on the Page 8. Regarding Yahoo! Shopping, the hometown tax, I wonder how much of that impact is included. I wonder in the second half, there can be a significant decline in the growth as a reversal factor. And if you exclude the BEENOS impact, what is your true growth opportunity? So the growth in the cruising pace and growth from a one-off reason, if you could please share for the results in the first half and what you expect for the second half, please?
Unknown Executive: Okay. Sakaue would share some figurative indication then -- and I'll have my colleague, Hide to provide additional information. And regarding Yahoo! Search -- sorry, Yahoo! Shopping, for second quarter, the growth was about 19%, 1-9, so quite significant. And hometown tax, late high single digits, mid-single digit to high single-digit growth. And for Reuse, this includes Yahoo! Auction, Yahoo! Flea Market and BEENOS as to be about 15% growth. So excluding BEENOS, we do have mid-single-digit growth. Second quarter has this last-minute demands for hometown tax. So that led to this significant growth rate.
Makoto Hide: This is Hide to provide additional information. Regarding Yahoo! Shopping, a significant impact from hometown tax. This is something that was happening at the end of the year in December time. So it's a front-loading of that demand now. Compared to the last year, Q3 growth rate will be stagnant, will slow down. For Reuse, excluding BEENOS, I do see the trend continuing. In other words, Yahoo! Auction growth is quite steady and Flea Market is growing significantly. So when you take the weighted average, our growth is mid-single digit. I would think that for the second half, we can expect a similar growth, and we'll have a synergy, as you can see on the right-hand side, to have a more significant growth in the midterm.
Operator: Next, Okumura-san from Okasan Securities.
Yusuke Okumura: This is Okumura from Okasan Securities. Can you hear my voice?
Unknown Executive: Yes.
Yusuke Okumura: I have 2 questions. On Page 26, you have been explaining on the account ad and MINI App expansion and double the sales from this, I would like to reconfirm Official Account, the platform part based part, the assumption is the current growth rate. And through MINI App several dozen billion will be added on top. Is that the assumption? If this becomes a reality, it's wonderful. But what is the background for being so bullish at the time of launch, the assumption of the MINI App or MAU in order to achieve your assumption, what kind of measures and scale of investment you're going to make in order to achieve your strategy? That is my first question.
Unknown Executive: Firstly, the growth image of official apps, I would like to explain and the strategy to grow will be replied by Idezawa-san and Ikehata-san. The existing OA part, the current level of growth can be maintained. To be more specific, 10% to 15%. Currently, it is growing at nearly 15%. So maintaining the same growth level. The paid accounts can be expanded in this pace, but that will not bring us to double. So the gap will be compensated by MINI App and SaaS. The strategy will be explained by Ikehata.
Yuki Ikehata: Thank you for your question. Let me just add some more comments. In your question, you said that it's still the starting phase and this forecast may be bullish at the starting phase. But right now, we already have Official Accounts and MINI Apps, although partially we are not monetizing yet to many customers, similar solutions are offered and being used, and it's been -- the customers are satisfied. So for MINI Apps, we will increase the number. And at the same time, we will focus on monetization. That is for next year and beyond. Official Account SaaS solution already, including third-party solutions, we are collaborating with various companies and various solutions are already being utilized. So our strategy is to monetize them from next year and onward. We haven't been able to try or something that does not fit the market to start from scratch. Well, that is not the case. We already have existing foundation of Official Accounts, and we are offering various services, and we will expand and further monetize. So that is the basis of our assumption to achieve these targets.
Yusuke Okumura: What about the scale of investment? JPY 10 billion was the media investment for this year. What about the investment going forward?
Unknown Executive: The details will be discussed, but we are working on the awareness strengthening through advertising for MINI Apps and we are going to focus on promotion and PR. And regarding manufacturing or production, as shown on the slide, we are to reassign human resources to these growth domains to speed up the launch of products.
Yusuke Okumura: My second question, on LINE, you are going to implement AI agents. I would like to ask about that. ChatGPT has instant checkout and strengthening the functionalities, and they are expanding partners, the user side rather than ChatGPT, why do they use LINE's chat or AI agents? What is the value that you offer in the future? The relationship is that parent company is -- has strong ties with OpenAI. And what kind of positive influence will that relationship with OpenAI has with your company?
Takeshi Idezawa: This is Idezawa. Let me reply to your question. Our company does not have our own LLM. So we use OpenAI solutions or other solutions. We pick and choose. It's not just LINE, but within our company, we have a variety of services, news, commerce, finance, auto, so each service will be agentized. That is what we are working on right now. And like Yahoo! and LINE or integrated agent will be created. So that is the perspective of our user interface. We do not have LLM ourselves. But on the other hand, we have a lot of touch points with so many users and services. So within one ID, ours can be used in a seamless manner. That is the value we offer. So that is why we are working on agentization of various services.
Operator: Next from Mizuho Securities, Mr. Kishimoto, please.
Akitomo Kishimoto: My name is Kishimoto from Mizuho. I have 2 questions too. Both are about LINE Ads. The first is commerce functions of LINE SHOPPING functions. I would think that it will be launched quite soon as a new platform. I know you've done some testing. So I wonder what is lacking in order to have a full launch? That's my first question.
Makoto Hide: This is Hide speaking. We are providing bucket test. We have already launched the test launch for this within the LINE SHOPPING tab. We are not offering any service actively or making a big sales promotion. We are testing system stable operations. Then within this test bucket, we are trying to expand our product and services or to enhance sales promotion activities so that we'll be able to have 100% full launch. We have been working together with various internal stakeholders. The situation is a bit different from the users of shopping -- Yahoo! Shopping, where they already know what they want to buy or they want to buy certain things. LINE, we need to propose what is appropriate and right that would resonate to the LINE users. Once we know that right business model solutions, then we will be able to launch under such use case and sell products as well. So there's a great opportunity, and we've been testing at the moment.
Akitomo Kishimoto: On Page 27, please, you mentioned about second tier, third tier. I'd like to ask you a question about the capability for the third tier. I understand that you have been reallocating your staff together with AI agents. I wonder whether you'll be able to run all these initiatives under the current manpower? Or are you going to strengthen your perhaps sales capabilities with more new recruits? Is this something you can do with the current resource?
Unknown Executive: I'm sure it's based on the selection criteria, but thank you for your question. Your point, recently, we do have a certain amount of resource that we had to allocate that we had to secure from other departments to this department. So as mentioned on this page, we are going to have 50% of this existing business to new domain or the focus domains. So we will be shifting our business focus as well as resource allocation as well. And we also are considering more partnership, leveraging outside resources as well. We have many different ideas.
Operator: Next, Nagao-san of BofA Securities.
Yoshitaka Nagao: Can you hear?
Unknown Executive: Yes.
Yoshitaka Nagao: This is Nagao speaking. My first question is on MINI App MAU is to be increased from 25 million to 75 million and from 35,000, the KPI direction is being presented, the price charging per app or how you consider retention. What are the methods you're going to take? 60% comes from OA and 40% comes from MINI Apps. So proactive monetization will be necessary. So can you explain concrete ways you have in mind for monetization of MINI Apps.
Yuki Ikehata: Thank you for the question. This is Ikehata speaking. Let me answer your question. Right now, well, MINI App numbers are to be increased, and we are to increase the number of users significantly. That is the plan. So on MINI Apps themselves from LINE application, there will be a lot of touch point from the users. So we are increasing touch points by linking with LINE app and LINE media to increase the opportunity for as many people as possible to touch MINI App. On the monetization of MINI App, the payment function and also advertising within MINI App and receive ad placement fee. So those are 2 monetization sources. The application that can generate fruits in terms of profitability is what we are planning to build. The sales force, we are strengthening right now so that as many people as possible will utilize MINI App and open Official Accounts. From next fiscal year and beyond, we expect monetization of revenue. We already are seeing the account openings by many on Official Account. So we have confidence.
Yoshitaka Nagao: My second question is related to Page 24 of the material, the target of EBITDA margin, 40% to 45%. Right now, 37% or 38% is the Media Business margin. Official Account and MINI App domain overlaps SaaS domain. So when you expand the scale, the sales staff or development cost will be heavier upfront. And I have a concern that the profitability may decline. The existing search and display ad by the sales of that part decline will affect the overall margin. So what is the overall ad margin? And in achieving 40% to 45%, what would be the contribution of OA and MINI Apps? If possible, could you disclose those information?
Unknown Executive: Rather than speaking on the concrete number, it's more of a guide, the search, the basis is that profitability is not that high, and we have been communicating that from before. There's a certain fee that we pay to Google. So the search margin originally is low. And adding with display, it's shown as flat, but the search will be down trend and display, we achieved certain growth in Q2. So the ratio of display will likely to expand. So the margin on the lower part will increase -- will improve. And on display, as you know, there is a commission with the agents that is included in the COGS. So it's -- that is the margin structure. OA the margin will be similar to display. The SaaS part, it will be dependent on the pricing structure, but vertical MINI App or SaaS peers, when we look at them, the profitability is quite high. Compared to ad business, it's low, but still, it's high enough to be able to support. On top of that, MINI Apps, the ad on MINI Apps and within MINI Apps, we will place ads in a network style. So that's the type of ad business that we would like to deploy within apps. So we expect that we can secure profitability on a certain extent.
Yoshitaka Nagao: One quick question on Page 11, the JPY 15 billion reduction plan is shown in the medium term, the Media Business ad expense, in some part will increase, in some part it can decline, but the fixed cost of the Media Business will it be unchanged?
Unknown Executive: This slide is the company-wide figure. This fiscal year, JPY 10 billion for LLM cost will be incurred. And next year and beyond, LLM expense will continue to rise. But through various programming, we can expect improvement of operational efficiency. So JPY 15 billion, even LLM commission rises next year, we intend to reduce the fixed cost, even including that JPY 15 billion, the promotion expense and advertising for commerce, it is linked with GMV. So that is not included in this figure. And on Media segment, there are subcontractors and some of the human resources cost through use of AI, we can create a leaner structure. So those are combined to set the target margin at 40%.
Operator: Next, from Nomura Securities. Mr. Masuno.
Daisaku Masuno: This is Masuno speaking from Nomura. Can you hear me?
Unknown Executive: Yes, we can.
Daisaku Masuno: I just have one question, please. Renewal of LINE apps, you are -- been talking about adding a commerce tab. And I know you have been trying various scenarios under beta. Fundamentally, are you trying to transition the info traffic to service like LINE GIFTS? Or are you going to provide a brand-new shopping experience to LINE users. So I wonder what kind of inflow -- what kind of user experience are you trying to create through this commerce tab?
Unknown Executive: What we are testing right now under the current version, all the products that's on LINE tabs are LINE GIFT products. Going forward, in addition to the LINE GIFT products, the stores that are present in Yahoo! Shopping, some of their merchandises we would like to post there. So not just for gift needs, LINE SHOPPING, Commerce products, we would like to offer through that tab. So comprehensive portal shopping corner is how we like this service to grow to be. So what type of stores, what type of products from Yahoo! Shopping really has to do with the previous questions and answers that we had. What kind of products will be the right fit, best resonate to the LINE user. It really depends on that. That's what we are testing right now. So we have to have a right product mix on top of the GIFT products, we've been carefully studying what would be the type of product group that is worth promoting heavily behind it on this new effort.
Daisaku Masuno: Okay. So this is not a purchase intent visit. I can understand LINE GIFT. I wonder for those users who are not thinking of purchasing anything would ever be a real customer, whether they would convert by visiting the site?
Unknown Executive: Other than Yahoo! Shopping, our customers right now are searching for what they want out of tens of thousands of our products with a certain purpose, compare prices and make decision-making. We have a massive number of products on Yahoo! Shopping. It doesn't make sense to put all of that on LINE tab. I don't think it will drive sales. So out of what's available in Yahoo! Shopping, those stores, we need to focus on products with more uniqueness, originality and some product group with extremely high demand once they release, always sells out. So those will be the right products, we think to be on the LINE tab. Those will be the right products for this casual shopper.
Daisaku Masuno: Are you talking about hundreds or thousands? I don't think you're talking about dozens of thousands. So I just have no idea about the scale of the products that would be available through this LINE tab.
Unknown Executive: That is exactly what we are trying to get to. That's why we've been repeating the test. So it really depends on the -- we don't know. There's nothing that we can share with you regarding the size or scale of the stores or the type of products or the scale of the product.
Operator: Next, Kumazawa-san of Daiwa Securities.
Shingo Kumazawa: On Page 11, fixed cost reduction of JPY 15 billion. This is the topic of my question. Currently, what is the fixed cost? And how much is this JPY 15 billion? And from last year, you have been spending on security-related costs. Is that included in this reduction of JPY 15 billion? I believe it's mostly outsourcing that you can reduce. Are there any major items that you expect to reduce significantly? And I believe AI agent is contributing to reduction. So from -- compared to last year, how much reduction is this?
Ryosuke Sakaue: This is Sakaue. I will answer your question. LY stand-alone fixed cost is roughly JPY 700 billion. As you stated in your question, security-related costs will come down. On the other hand, LLM commission will almost offset that increase. From April of next year, we will increase the office space to accommodate a 3-day commuting of our employees, and that means the cost increase. And by using AI, we intend to reduce JPY 15 billion in total. If we do not take any action, the fixed cost will likely to go up by JPY 2.5 billion to JPY 2.6 billion. In the areas of reduction, outsourcing part and software license from outside, the system that employees use, we can make progress in the integration of the platform. So double payment can be eliminated. So that is included as the cost reduction on software license.
Shingo Kumazawa: The areas you can reduce, I understand it's difficult to name the concrete name or ServiceNow or others or Salesforce. Is it possible to cut them entirely rather than specific ones?
Unknown Executive: It's an overall effort, frankly speaking. And for example, there are licenses that are given to all of the employees. But if we identify the staff that really uses, then we can reduce the number of license. And also, there may be redundant functions on the software and cut one of them.
Operator: Next from [ SBR. Mr. Jose ], please.
Unknown Analyst: I have a question regarding capital structure and security governance. I understand in the past, administrative [ court ] instruction was given from Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communication, administrative guidance pointing out your capital structure. Now that under new administration, any risks that you foresee or any changes to the relationship with the government regarding capital structure, please?
Unknown Executive: Regarding the administrative guidance, we've been responding appropriately. And from -- for the 2026 March, we are making progress toward it. And regarding the capital movements, we've been continuing the discussions, reflecting our past track record. No major changes to or the [ FY 2026 ].
Unknown Analyst: I understand. So for 2026 March, you will conclude all the measures to meet the administrative guidance?
Unknown Executive: Correct. Yes on track.
Unknown Executive: Now, we would like to close because the schedule ending time has arrived. I would like to now have Idezawa to offer a final reading. Before Idezawa's final remarks, I mentioned about the fixed cost of JPY 700 billion, that was a mistake. It's roughly JPY 400 billion to JPY 500 billion.
Takeshi Idezawa: This is Idezawa speaking. Thank you very much for raising a lot of questions. The environment surrounding AI is rapidly changing. And our 2 core strategy is AI agents and OA, and we will continuously grow by changing our business structure. That is the message of today's presentation. I will ensure that these plans will be executed steadily, and we would like to ask for your continued support. With this, we would like to close LY Corporation's FY 2025 second quarter earnings call. Thank you for staying with us until the end. [Statements in English on this transcript were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]