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Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Good morning to all, and thank you for joining this earnings call for the third quarter of 2025. Financial statements were posted with market authorities early this morning, and all materials can be found on our corporate website. Please refer to the disclaimer in this presentation and note that this call is being recorded. Today, we are joined by our Chief Executive Officer, Gloria Ortiz; and Chief Financial Officer, Jacobo Diaz.
Gloria Portero: Thank you, Laurie. Good morning to all, and welcome to this third quarter 2025 results presentation. Since we last met in July, many things have happened. The tariff conflict between the European Union and the United States has been resolved. The Israel Gaza conflict seems for now to have reached its end. We learned the results of the BBVA Sabadell takeover bid last Thursday and interest rates have bottomed as the European Central Bank has ended rate cuts with inflation aligned with its targets. Additionally, the EBA stress tests were published on August 1, in which Bankinter is again the listed bank in Spain as well as in the Eurozone with the lowest capital depletion in the hypothetical case of a very adverse economic scenario. We continue to navigate an uncertain and volatile environment. And despite this, I would like to highlight that this quarter's results remain satisfactory following the trend of the previous quarter with very relevant growth and activity across all business and geographies. The third quarter has been another quarter with strong commercial activity translating into a post-tax result of EUR 812 million, 11% above the same period last year. These results are also accompanied by solid management ratios in terms of asset quality, efficiency, profitability and solvency. As reflected in the figures, we continue to report improving results in which, as usual, balanced and diversified growth is key. Credit and loans as well as retail deposits grew 5% with off-balance sheet balances up 20% year-on-year. Net interest income has continued to improve in the quarter. In the second quarter, we reported a contraction of 5% that has been reduced to 3.5% in September. In fact, in quarterly terms, it is the second quarter that we have grown over the previous quarter, reaching levels of the third quarter of 2024. This is thanks to the resilience of the customer margin, which remains at 2.7% this year. On the other hand, fees and commissions continue to perform exceptionally well, maintaining a growth rate of 10.6% despite the fact that each quarter, the comparison with the previous year is more demanding. All this growth has been achieved while keeping our risk appetite intact, which is reflected in the NPL ratio that stands at 2.05%, improving previous quarter ratio as well as the one reported 12 months ago, which was 17 basis points higher. Another key to our business model is efficiency, which stands at 36%, the best cost-to-income ratio in the sector. Diversified growth, asset quality and efficiency are the pillars on which the profitability of our business is based, maintaining a ROTE above 19%. As a result of intense commercial activity, we once again present strong diversified growth in business volumes this period. If we add credit and loans, retail deposits and off-balance sheet volumes, the volumes managed amount to EUR 234 billion at the end of September and grew by EUR 19 billion year-on-year. This is a remarkable growth rate of 9%. Going into detail, lending reached EUR 83 billion at the end of the quarter, which is EUR 5 billion more than in September 2024. Retail deposits closed the quarter at EUR 85 billion, a figure EUR 4 billion higher than in the same period of the previous year. And finally, we added EUR 11 billion to the off-balance sheet business, which stands at EUR 66 billion, showing a strong growth of 20% year-on-year. This year, we have seen a noticeable increase in new client acquisition, particularly through our digital channels. The integration of talent and technology from EVO Banco over the summer has assisted to further strengthen our digital strategy for the group. All geographies are growing at good pace. Spain, which accounts to 87% of business volumes grows 7%, while Portugal with 11% contribution to volumes grows by 12% and Ireland also stands out with 20% growth. New credit production also continues with improving trends as a result of the increased commercial activity. 16% in new mortgages, 6% growth in new business lending and a 3% drop in consumer credit due to the fact that we continue to reduce exposure to riskier segments. On Page 7, for the past 12 months, we have seen increasingly positive trends in sector growth across the geographies in which we operate with close to 3% market growth in Spain, 7% in Portugal and 2% in Ireland. In each of these markets, we continue to gain market share in each of our business lines. In our core markets, Spain, the retail banking loan book increased by 3.4%, 30 bps above the market and our business banking book outperformed by 180 bps, reaching a 4.3% growth rate. With both Bankinter Portugal and Ireland in expansion, we continue to gain significant market share, further diversifying our asset portfolio. Portugal grew 11%, 450 bps above the sector and Ireland, an exceptional 20% growth rate, well above market growth rates in both countries. In terms of revenues, there is a very notable performance of core revenues. This is the sum of net interest income and net fees and commissions, which has reached similar levels to those in the previous year. In quarterly terms, core revenues reached EUR 762 million, the largest in the series. And in fact, they are already growing both compared to the previous quarter by 1.3% and compared to the same quarter of 2024 by 2%. This sustained solid performance quarter after quarter of fees and commissions growing at 10.6% compensates for over 90% of net interest income compression in the year due to the negative impact from the reduction of yield curves. Net interest income fell on a cumulative basis, 3.5%. But in quarterly terms, the upward trend continues. We are already 3% above the last quarter of the previous year and 5% more than in the first quarter, and we also grew 1% over the previous quarter. Going now to the next page. I would like to talk about productivity. We have a scalable and efficient business that is reflected in productivity improvements. The volume of customers managed per employee expands year after year, while the cost per million euros of volumes managed decreases year-on-year. This is thanks to the investments made in technology and in particular, in artificial intelligence projects that are oriented to the improvement of personal activity, commercial efficiency, which relies mainly on algorithms, but also process efficiency and the improvement of the customer experience and the development also of new products. Bankinter culture of applying targeted innovation across products, services and processes continues to deliver measurable results, reinforcing our strategic positioning and driving ongoing improvements in operational scalability. I will now hand over to Jacobo, who will provide you with more additional detail and insights into our financial and commercial results.
Jacobo Díaz: Thank you very much, Gloria. Good morning, everybody. We are pleased to share once again another quarter growth and increased revenues and profitability. In operating income, we have grown by 4.7%, thanks to increased volumes, continued strong fee growth and effective margin management. We continue to rebalance operating costs more evenly over quarters with a year-on-year increase declining each quarter to end the year within our guidance. Cost of risk and related provisions declined by 10% compared to the prior year, reflecting a continued positive trend in risk management. Net profit rose 11% to EUR 812 million, gaining momentum to well surpass our initial goal of EUR 1 billion in 2025. Let's move on to review additional details about each line in the following slides. So after the trough in the first quarter of this year, we continue to deliver quarter-on-quarter improvements in net interest income, now recovering levels of the third quarter of last year, reporting EUR 566 million, a 1% increase quarter-on-quarter. Asset yields continued to contract this quarter at 3.49%, down 22 basis points. This quarter reflects a typical low seasonality period where corporate banking activity is relatively lower compared to retail banking activity, which has influenced a bit of a mix change leading to a higher weight of repricing more in line with retail durations than the shorter corporate durations. Given these dynamics and a stable outlook for Euribor 12 months rates, we believe average quarterly asset yields should drop marginally in Q4 to reach stability in the first half of 2026. Average customer margin for the year remained resilient at our 270 basis points, continuing to demonstrate our ability to effectively manage margins. With cost of deposits now at 84 basis points, a material 14 basis points decrease from last quarter, we are optimistic to reach levels around 75 basis points by the end of the year. Our NIM also remains resilient, a direct result of the effective balance sheet management. After sharing the details of the NII results, we wanted to talk about the excellent results we have been seeing quarter-on-quarter related to our digital account strategy that we initiated last year as part of the new digital organization. This growing digital site account deposits in yellow in the graph on the left have aided in reducing and replacing typical long-term deposits with more granular and flexible shorter duration deposits. Between both digital site accounts and private banking or corporate treasury accounts, we now have a significant proportion of our deposits with less than a 3-month duration. This is less than half of the average duration of the term deposits. Not only does this provide us greater agility to adjust deposit rates in line with market rates, but it also has a great source of increased customer activity, either transactional or through AUMs activity, driving additional fee volumes with a scalable operational model at a marginal lower servicing cost base. As you can see on the chart on the right, we have increased our average deposit spread over the past 4 quarters, reaching now close to 130 basis points. We believe these deposit spreads levels are likely to remain quite resilient, possibly with some upside for the coming years given the favorable rate environment as well as a more flexible deposit structure and our deposit gathering capability from our excellent existing and new customer base. Bear in mind that 50% of new customers are acquired through our 100% digital channels. Fees continued to deliver sequential increases quarter-on-quarter even during the seasonally low summer months with an increase of 11% on a year-on-year basis, reaching EUR 196 million this quarter, up 2% on a quarter-on-quarter basis. This continued quarterly growth momentum is mainly attributable to the strong volume growth in fund management and brokerage services that we detail later in the presentation. We are quite optimistic to continue to maintain this growth momentum going forward, given our strong focus and strategy on affluent customer base and increasing flows from on-balance to off-balance sheet activity and customer-centric operating model. It is also quite remarkable the performance of these business lines delivering improved results, notably in the equity method and dividend lines, up 29% on a year-on-year basis. The diversification of sources of revenue is well represented here given our diversified business investment over the past years in areas like our insurance JV partnership, our JV in Portugal with Sonae to deliver consumer finance products as well as our successful strategy with the Bankinter investment franchise, delivering alternative investment vehicles, allowing our customers to invest in real assets. This business line will continue to develop and deliver increased results over the coming years, providing upside risk in nontraditional revenue lines. Regarding cost, we continue to reduce seasonality and balance our expenses over the year, increasing 3% when comparing average 25 quarterly cost to those in 2024. Although cost volumes may increase in Q4, they will be lower on a year-on-year basis when comparing to Q4 of 2024. cost-to-income ratio remains at an exceptionally low level of 36%, and will remain committed to maintaining positive operating jaws in the future. On Page 17, loan loss provisions continue to show improvements versus last year with a cost of risk of 33 basis points. Other provisions also remained under control and performing well at a stable 8 basis points with no signs of deterioration in the market of our portfolio and with a well-managed risk management across the bank, we are optimistic to maintain current levels for the coming quarters. Next page. Net profit achieved record levels once again, reaching EUR 812 million, an exceptional increase of 11% year-to-date. Credit quality, credit and asset quality indicators continue to improve with the group NPL ratio dropping to 2.05%, down 17 basis points from last year. Spain down to 2.3%, Portugal at 1.4% and Ireland at 0.3%, all well below sector average. Moving into capital. As Gloria mentioned, we are very pleased with our EBA's stress test results this quarter, resulting once again in the lowest level of capital depletion among all Spanish and Eurozone listed bank. Even under a severe economic adverse scenario, the potential capital depletion would only be 55 basis points. The prudent risk profile of our activity is differential. This has been a strong quarter for capital generation with the CET1 ratio at 12.94%, with a seasonal mix shift from corporate lending to increased retail lending, therefore, reducing RWA growth this quarter, which we review with the reverse in the following quarter with larger loan growth and density consumption and the annual operational risk capital consumption recorded in the fourth quarter. As we continue to invest in technology and strategic projects, we have also seen an increase in intangibles this quarter due to the software-based solution under deployment, for example, with the new banking IT platform for Ireland or the Portuguese digital transformation program. Moving into Page 22. Commercial activity and trends remain strong with customer volumes up 7% in Spain, 12% in Portugal and 20% in Ireland. Each region contributing at increased levels to the gross operating income of the bank. On Page 23, loan growth, again, strong, up 4% year-on-year, growing both in retail as well as business lending. Retail deposits continued to demonstrate solid growth, increasing by 4% with also strong performance in Wealth Management, reflecting a 19% increase in assets under management, contributing to fee income increases of 11%. Profit before tax, up 6%, reflecting solid contribution for our core Spanish business. On Portugal, continued exceptional performance in lending activity across both business segments, up 11%, strong deposit gathering up 5% as well as increased wealth management and brokerage balances rising 23% on a year-on-year basis. Moving into Ireland. Commercial momentum continues with mortgage loan growth up 23% as well as consumer finance loan growth by 11%. We have also launched our fully digital time deposit in the Irish market with an attractive value proposition that will surely grow deposit volumes over the coming quarters. Profit before tax contribution reached EUR 34 million with strong sequential increases in NII each quarter, up 16%. Moving into corporate and SME banking. Business lending continued to deliver strong performance even with a seasonally low quarter in terms of new loans. Customer lending increased by 5%, well above sector loan growth. International business segment continues to be a key growth catalyst contributing to 1/3 of new credit production with a growth rate at 9% year-on-year. Page 27, Retail Banking asset and deposit trends remain strong with increased new client acquisition driving core salary account balances up by 7%. New mortgage origination up 16% year-on-year with solid market share of new production in Portugal, Spain and Ireland at 6%. Our mortgage back book continues to grow by a strong 5% year-on-year, outperforming sector growth in every region. Regarding Wealth Management, our high-quality customer base typically brings annual net inflows between EUR 5 billion to EUR 7 billion into the bank. However, this year, we have already surpassed this historical range and now reset our ambition to achieve between EUR 8 billion to EUR 10 billion of net new money every year. When taking into consideration the market effect as well, incremental wealth of our customers increased by EUR 20 million or a 16% increase on a year-on-year basis. Moving into off-balance sheet volumes. We continue to grow in assets under management and assets under custody, reaching now EUR 150 billion with assets under management advisory or customer direct execution services in brokerage. Since our differentiation strategy centers around the client and how they prefer to interact with the bank rather than a product strategy, we indistinctively offer Bankinter products as well as third-party products to retain independence in terms of customer advisory services. With a full range of products as well as various servicing models based on customers' preference, we are able to consistently grow these off-balance sheet volumes, a key driver of continued fee growth quarter after quarter. And finally, let me recap our ambitions and targets. Given our solid third quarter financial results, a strong commercial momentum and volume growth trends and with a stable outlook for Euribor 12 months over the coming year around 220%, we remain optimistic in terms of future growth potential. In terms of our specific ambitions for this current year, loan volumes are expected to continue to grow at mid-single-digit rate, similar than deposits with assets under management commercial activity following the same strong performance than previous quarters. As market conditions become more favorable, we are committed to maintaining 2025 average customer margins around 270 basis points to support robust profitability that surpasses our cost of capital. In essence, we will not compromise margin integrity. Regarding NII, we anticipate that the final phase of retail repricing will take place mostly in Q4 and with much lower impact in the beginning of '26. Consequently, while some pressure on asset yields is expected to persist, it should moderate as our corporate portfolio has now been fully repriced in Q3. On the deposit side, we will continue to reduce and manage costs in a balanced manner to support ongoing customer and deposit growth, particularly in the digital site accounts. As a result, we expect a more modest reduction in deposit costs in Q4 compared to Q3 between the range of 5 to 10 basis points. Given these dynamics and our current commercial strategy, NII in Q4 will keep growing quarter-on-quarter again and growing year-on-year again, which may result anyway in a slight slippage in our flattish NII guidance in 2025 that will be compensated by a stronger fee growth. With upside risk in fees, we increased our targets of high single-digit growth target to reach now double-digit growth in fees. With respect to cost management, we continue to allocate and balance cost volumes over the quarters and remain on target for 2025 full year annual cost to grow mid-single digit. We also remain committed to delivering positive operating jaws in 2025, gross revenues above cost. As credit quality continues to improve, we are revising our targets with the expectation of cost of risk to fall below 35 basis points for the entire year. Although we do not provide guidance for the following year until the results presentation in January, we must say that as of today, with the current macro outlook for Spain, Portugal and Ireland, there is no reason why we should not expect similar levels of growth in our loan book as well as resilient client margin in our levels of cost of risk. Efficiency will also remain at the top of our agenda to ensure sustainable levels of return on equity in 2026 and so on. And capital levels are expected to stay strong in coming quarters despite profitable growth expectation. I believe that this has been another high-quality set of results with no surprises, one-offs or extraordinary items, quite predictable that make us feel to be on track to achieve another excellent year in 2026. Gloria, back to you for any closing comments.
Gloria Portero: Thank you, Jacobo. Well, as you can see, the results of these first 9 months of the year have once again beaten records of previous years with an 11% growth in net profit, and all this is accompanied by an excellent level of operational efficiency and asset quality, both ratios improving compared to the previous year. All this allows us to continue improving returns on capital, which stands at 18.2%, 30 bps better than in 2024 and continues generating value for our shareholders, both in terms of dividend distribution and the book value of shares. To close the presentation of results for the first 9 months of the year, I would like to highlight that we are once again presenting solid results because of the recurring activity with our customers and the execution of a consistent long-term growth strategy. We are growing steadily in all the businesses and geographies in which we operate, keeping our risk appetite intact, even improving the risk profile of the loan portfolio as reflected in the NPL ratio and the increase in the coverage of the nonperforming loan portfolio. We continue to invest in projects and initiatives that allow us to keep pace with business growth. And despite this, we improved efficiency. All this results delivering a sustained return on the capital of the business, well above the cost of capital. For my part, this is all. Thank you again very much for your attention, and I will pass now on to Laurie.
Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Thank you very much, Gloria. Thank you, Jacobo. Let's now move on to the live Q&A session, please. [Operator Instructions] Our first caller is Francisco Riquel from Alantra.
Francisco Riquel Correa: My first question is about the fast growth in digital accounts. It's 4x bigger year-on-year. So I wonder if you can comment on the cost of these digital accounts compared to your total cost of deposits and the alternative of time deposits where you are switching. And I wonder if you can also elaborate on the commercial experience with these online customers and cross-selling ratios. You are not exceeding your traditional mid-single-digit growth in loans and deposits. You are growing faster in AUMs, but I wonder if this is coming from these online clients or from your traditional affluent and high net worth clients. And then my second question is about loan growth in Spain, which has slowed down year-on-year a bit, particularly in higher-margin corporates from 6% in Q2 to 4% in Q3. The sector has not. They're still growing by 3% in lower margin retail mortgages. So I wonder if you can comment on competition dynamics and update in terms of loan growth and also in the loan yield, where do you see the trough of this interest rate cycle?
Jacobo Díaz: Regarding the loan growth, I think we had another, I think, good quarter comparing year-on-year in terms of the loan book. As I mentioned, the seasonality of the third quarter is -- I mean, typical in Spain, it has a negative seasonality. And the corporate banking activity has been lower as we normally expect. So we do not have any sign of slowing down in that perspective. It's just a matter of seasonality. In fact, we keep expecting similar levels of growth at the end of the year compared to, I don't know, previous quarters. So basically, we do not expect any changes. You mentioned competition. Of course, there is competition in the corporate banking as well in the mortgage activity, but this has been always the case. So there's nothing special to highlight. I would say that the loan growth will continue to show strong results. And regarding the digital accounts, definitely, digital accounts have been a quite relevant strategic commercial move for us in the past months and quarters. So we are delivering excellent results. We are capturing quite large volumes of deposits. We are cross-selling, of course, as you can imagine, plenty of different types of products. I wouldn't say that the largest volumes of AUMs are coming from the new digital accounts because it takes some time to transform and to cross-sell this type of accounts. But definitely, we are quite happy. You were mentioning about the cost. The thing is that these digital accounts have a quite short duration and for us is -- we have the agility and the capacity to change prices within a quarter. So for us, from a commercial strategy, we're quite happy.
Gloria Portero: I will add 2 things. I mean the average cost of the digital accounts at present is around 1.6%. Actually, as Jacobo has said, the duration is around 2 months. So -- and we manage centrally, which is different to when it's products that are managed by the branch network, we manage centrally new prices. So it is quite easy and fast to reduce the cost. But on top of this, what I want to mention is that what we have been doing is a substitution effect. So basically, these deposits have been substituting higher tickets from enterprises and corporates. And there has been a reduction in the cost because we have been substituting higher costlier deposits. As Jacobo has said, I mean, looking forward, we expect the cost of funds to retail funds to continue reducing next quarter -- sorry, this quarter and in the order of 5 to 10 bps depending on where the Euribor stands. With respect to competition, here, yes, we have been growing quite nicely in mortgages in Spain so far. But I have to say that the competition is starting to be a little bit irrational, particularly in fixed rate mortgages of long term like 30 years. So you can expect us to be a little bit less active in that segment, although we think that we will continue to grow.
Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Let's move on to our next question. Our next question comes from Borja Ramirez from Citi.
Borja Ramirez Segura: I have 2. Firstly is on the NII, if I were to base the Q4 NII of this year and multiply by 4 and add the loan growth, would this make sense from a technical point of view to -- for estimating the 2026 NII? Or would there be any other moving parts? And then my second question would be in Ireland. I think you -- according to press, you launched a deposit of 2.6% rate, if I am correct. I would like to ask if you could provide some details on the growth strategy in Ireland in deposits.
Gloria Portero: Regarding Ireland, I mean, what we are doing is just a test for the moment. So it's a friends and family. We are offering this deposit only to our clients and only a certain amount. I mean, initially, we are talking about EUR 50 million. So this is like a welcome deposit, and it's not going to have any impact at all in this year NII, and I don't think in next year either because we are controlling, as you can imagine, the growth in these deposits. With regard to NII, multiplying by 4. Well, it's a little simplistic. It could be near it could be near if Euribor rates stay completely stable around the year. It will be probably better than that than the mere multiplication by 4.
Jacobo Díaz: Yes. I think our assumptions are we keep, as we mentioned, estimating that the average -- the client margin for coming quarters should be around 270 basis points and that we will continue to grow in similar -- the similar path that we've been growing in the past quarters. So that will be the main assumptions that you should take into consideration. As Gloria was mentioning, it's not just multiplying by 4. We definitely think it could be a little bit higher than that.
Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Our next question comes from Ignacio Ulargui from BNP Paribas.
Ignacio Ulargui: Just wanted to get a bit of a sense on the capital performance of the quarter, what you just -- Jacobo flagged about reverting the effect of the mix in the quarter in the coming quarters. I mean still 12.9% looks to me like a very high level. Is there any chance that the bank considers changing the 50% payout ratio with the current trend of capital? Second one is on costs. You said in the guidance, if I hear correctly, mid-single-digit growth. Should we expect a slightly more acceleration given the good performance of revenues that you front out a bit of cost for '26 in the fourth quarter beyond the natural seasonality that you have been trying to smooth this year? Or that would be -- or you're going to be very focused in keeping the costs on that limit to avoid slippage in '25?
Jacobo Díaz: Ignacio, regarding the capital performance, as I mentioned, we present a quite strong capital ratio this quarter. And I did mention that there is some seasonality impact in this figure. So for the fourth quarter, we do expect a growth or much larger capital consumption from the growth, especially from the corporate banking activity that tends to be quite strong at the end of the year and of course, growth in the retail business and in other geographies as we have done. And additionally, I mentioned that there are some special recordings in the fourth quarter from capital consumption as the operational risk is fully recorded in the fourth quarter. So we do expect a figure probably lower than this one that we have shared today with you, although the results for the fourth quarter are going to be, again, very, very strong. To this means are we -- do we have in mind changing our dividend policy? I would say not for the time being. But of course, if we will see these trends in coming quarters, of course, we will -- we might think about doing whatever in terms of keeping our capital ratio in levels where we feel comfortable.
Gloria Portero: Ignacio, with regard to cost, I mean, we are very comfortable with the low mid-single-digit growth, and we will stick to this. I mean we don't see any reason why we cannot meet our target.
Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Our next question comes from Carlos Peixoto from CaixaBank BPI.
Carlos Peixoto: Carlos Peixoto from CaixaBank here. A couple of follow-up questions actually as well. So mostly on NII. So if I understood correctly, you're expecting to see some pressure on asset yields coming through still in the fourth quarter through the repricing mechanism. Then you mentioned deposit costs maintaining roughly the spread to Euribor. And I guess that some volume growth, as you mentioned, fourth quarter tends to be much stronger. So putting all of this together, do you see enough support for NII in the fourth quarter to do materially better than in the third Q? And as you mentioned in the call, to see some -- well, basically that you won't be reaching the stable NII guidance, but I was just wondering whether we could be talking about a small single-digit decline in NII or closer to mid-single digit.
Jacobo Díaz: Carlos, we did mention that the cost of deposit in the -- we are expecting next quarter to continue to decline, probably at a lower speed that we saw in previous quarter. And we mentioned somewhere between 5 to 10 basis points decline in the coming quarter. But we also -- we mentioned that we are -- we have come to a much lower speed of loan yield repricing, and we do expect some sort of stabilization or a slight reduction in the fourth quarter. That will mean that we do expect client margin to recover, and we are quite strong optimistic in terms of we will have a good -- at the end of the day, a good final quarter. But indeed, like you mentioned that -- and I did mention there might be a slight or minimum slippage in the overall flattish guidance. But again, it's going to be much more than compensated with fees. So we are good -- I mean, we are quite well optimistic about what's going to happen in the fourth quarter. So there is full repricing in corporate that has already been achieved in the third quarter. Euribor 12 months is behaving quite well around 220. There is a little bit more repricing from the mortgage book in the fourth quarter to come. But again, there is a strong seasonality that we believe will make a good fourth quarter to end up the year. As I mentioned, the fourth quarter is going to be again higher than the third quarter and much higher than the same quarter 1 year ago. So we think we are optimistic about the fourth quarter of this year. And of course, the coming quarters in 2026. We think this 270 client margin is something that we -- is definitely our ambition, and we are definitely managing everything in order to achieve that figure.
Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Our next question comes from Ignacio Cerezo from UBS.
Ignacio Cerezo Olmos: I've got one on the international credit book, which is around 30%, 35% of the total corporate lending book and seems to be growing much faster basically than domestic. So if you can give us some information, some color basically of what is in there and what is the reason is growing faster and what kind of sustainability you see on that? And kind of related to this more on a system basis, from a mortgage growth point of view in Spain, obviously, housing prices going up very fast. It doesn't feel that the shortfall of housing is going to be corrected anytime soon. I mean, is there any risk that the demand actually ends up drying up faster because of, I mean, problems of affordability, I mean, difficulties from people to access housing, et cetera. Do you think actually the pickup of mortgage growth we are seeing in the last year or so has less or there's a risk actually that drives up into the next, say, 6 to 12 months?
Gloria Portero: Ignacio, with regard to mortgages, we don't see changes in demand in the very -- in the short term, so this year or next year. It is true what you're saying that prices go up and up and that there could start to be -- particularly in medium salaries, there could be problems of affordability. There are measures like the ICO lines where we are being active. Obviously, we have a little bit more than our market share that basically are trying to tackle this problem because they cover up to 100% of the value of the property. So what we are seeing in mortgages rather is what I've mentioned, which is a competition that is not being very reasonable with regard to long-term fixed rates. And basically, we are not going to enter that war, particularly in those clients. Well, in our clients, we might do because if we know how profitable their relationship with them is okay, but it won't be a measure to acquire new clients definitely. I think that's for mortgages.
Jacobo Díaz: Ignacio, I'll take your question on international credit book. I think basically, our corporate banking Spanish clients are much more international than they used to be. They're much more focused on going abroad. And we do provide a quite large menu of products and services with a good technology, et cetera. So we are developing more technology, more, I don't know, supply chain management products, working capital facilities, endorsements, et cetera. So since we have increased our range of products and services to this type of clients, then the volume of activity and the loans and off-balance sheet items are keep growing and growing. So this is some sort of sustainable. This is something that we do expect to keep growing at the same -- at similar levels. So no one-offs in here is quite recurrent. And this is for us a quite relevant source of revenues, in terms of NII, in terms of fees, and it's a quite profitable business.
Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Our next question comes from Alvaro Serrano from Morgan Stanley.
Alvaro de Tejada: I just wanted to follow up on the loan growth. I take the seasonality and one thing, I just was curious, I wanted to double-click on your comments around derisking and the consumer book being down, I think you said 3% quarter-on-quarter. Where are you derisking? What kind of product, what region? And is it a one-off thing? And what should we be looking for in consumer going forward from here in terms of volume growth? And then the second sort of follow-up question to the broader discussion in the call is, how do you think the pricing dynamics in the mortgage, in particular, is going to evolve over the next few quarters? Are you seeing the market being less bad? If it stays as competitive as it is, what's the end game for you in the mortgage market in Spain?
Gloria Portero: Alvaro, with regard to the portfolios where we are derisking, it is mainly open market consumer credit in Spain. So we are basically reducing our exposure and reducing also the new production and being more selective. That is on one hand. This portfolio anyway is not very significant in our overall book. And we continue to grow in consumer credit, but in our own clients in Spain and also in Portugal and in open markets, both in Ireland and in Portugal with Universo, the JV we have with Sonae. With regard to mortgages, well, for the moment, we are not seeing any changes in the pricing dynamics. But hopefully, we will be getting to prices where we have some margin with respect to the swap curve. But for the moment, that is not the case. That is why I was mentioning that we will probably decelerate growth, not so much in mortgages with our clients, but rather in the acquisition of new clients with mortgages.
Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Our next question comes from Maks Mishyn from JB Capital.
Maksym Mishyn: Two questions from me, please. The first one is on your Wealth Management business. Press reported several hirings you did. What kind of AUM growth should we think of for Bankinter in the medium term? And does this mean that fees are also likely to grow above the mid-single digits we have seen historically? And the second question is on capital, a follow-up on what the comfortable level is for you? And if the growth is not there, how can we think of deploying this capital?
Jacobo Díaz: Maks, I mean, definitely, the current levels of growth in the Wealth Management business is something that we believe are sustainable. Of course, there are market effects that are not controlled. And this is something we cannot control, neither estimate. But the capacity to keep bringing net new money to the bank, as we've mentioned in the call, is becoming higher and higher. So now our estimation has increased from EUR 5 billion to EUR 7 billion every year to EUR 8 billion to EUR 10 billion every year. And that, of course, means that has an impact on fees. So definitely, we don't know exactly what's going to be the level of fees in -- the recurrent level of fees in the future, but we definitely think it's going to be quite strong and probably stronger that your -- I think you mentioned mid-single digit. So for us, again, the combination of our strategy in commercial activity has a full link in the Wealth Management activity and, of course, in fees. So...
Gloria Portero: With respect to capital, I mean, we feel comfortable with a level in the -- between 12 40, 12 60, something that can give us room to continue growing and that doesn't restrict that growth. So this is more or less the average level where we are comfortable.
Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Our next question comes from Pablo de la Torre from RBC Capital Markets.
Pablo de la Torre Cuevas: Just a follow-up on Ireland on previous comments from Jacobo, you've mentioned the fixed-term deposit proposition in the country. But can you please remind us on the broader ambitions? And what are the next steps in the product road map in the country? And I guess in particular, you mentioned today your new higher ambition around net new money growth. So I was wondering if you were planning to start offering wealth products in Ireland next year. Maybe if I can squeeze in another follow-up on capital. Given your excess capital position and given also current valuation levels, can you just kind of update us on your appetite for inorganic growth from now?
Jacobo Díaz: Pablo, regarding Ireland, definitely, the first phase is through the launch of the term deposit that we've mentioned before. Our next ambition is going to be the launch of current accounts at the beginning of 2026. And I think this is going to be the great moment of funding the growth that we are expecting in Ireland with deposits from local in Ireland. So we are targeting to fund whatever growth we have in the loan book in Ireland with the deposit book in Ireland as well. So this is the ambition, and this is the next step. We are not considering for the time being to move into the Wealth Management business in Ireland. I think we have plenty of things to capture and to target before that business.
Gloria Portero: And with respect to inorganic growth, well, our appetite is very, very low. As you can imagine, we are an organic grower. We have always grown organically in the different businesses and geographies where we have the capabilities, and this is what we are doing in Ireland, and this is what we will continue to do in the future.
Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Our next question comes from Britta Schmidt from Autonomous.
Britta Schmidt: I have a follow-up on the consumer exposure, the open market consumer exposure in Spain that you talked about. Could you share with us the volume of that book and what the driver was for the derisking? I mean, have you seen a material change in the cost of risk there? And if so, why? And then on the -- you mentioned the operational risk impact in Q4. I mean, would it be reasonable to assume that it could be up to 20 basis points? Or do you expect something less than that?
Gloria Portero: I will answer the consumer credit exposure. This is a very small book. It's like around EUR 1.3 billion. Not all of it is being derisking. The reason mainly here is not the cost of risk, it's an ROE question. So basically, we think there are better businesses where we can allocate our capital, and this is why we have decided to reduce our exposure in this book.
Jacobo Díaz: Britta, regarding the operational risk, of course, we don't know the figure right now. As you know, the rules have also changed with Basel IV. So it's probably a little bit ambition for me to give you a good estimation. But it could be somewhere between 10% and 30%. So probably your 20% might be in the middle.
Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Our next question comes from Hugo Cruz from KBW.
Hugo Moniz Marques Da Cruz: I wanted to ask you about fee growth. If you could give a bit more guidance. I think before your guidance didn't assume any performance fees, which you had a lot of them in Q4. So the new guidance of double-digit growth year-on-year, does that include performance fees as well or not? And the second question on the cost of risk. You've improved your guidance a few times this year. The guidance for this year is below what you did in the previous 2 years. And then if we have a bit of slowdown in resi mortgages, does that mean the cost of risk next year could be higher than this year? Your thoughts on that would be very helpful.
Jacobo Díaz: Hugo, regarding the fee growth, I think we -- as of today, we are already at the double-digit growth. So just basically, we do expect to continue growing at a similar path that we've done in the past quarters. We don't know yet if there's going to be any success fee. That's why we are not included -- we are not including success fees in those estimations because honestly, we don't know it yet. And regarding cost of risk, I think what we mentioned is that we are expecting to end the year with a cost of risk below 35 basis points. We are currently around 33 basis points as we shared in the presentation. We don't think that next year is going to be a higher figure. There is no reason why we should say that because what we're seeing is that there is quite stable situation. So we are very comfortable with the current situation of cost of risk. We are not perceiving any changes in the levels of delinquency, et cetera. And in fact, as Gloria was mentioning, we are reducing the exposure to some businesses with higher level of risk. So for the next year, we do not expect an increase in the estimation of cost of risk.
Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Our next question comes from Fernando Gil de Santivañes from Intesa.
Fernando Gil de Santivañes d´Ornellas: Two quick follow-ups, please. Regarding fees, I mean, there has been one transaction in Q3 regarding the renewables, similar to the one you did in the past, but you have not accounted it in Q3. Can you please guide us when this transaction and if there is any potential positive one-off coming in Q4? And is that included in the guidance? This is one. The second one is on costs. In the second quarter, you have the headcount down marginally, but down. Has this anything to do with the growth profile that you have been flagging during this call?
Gloria Portero: I will answer the fees. Yes, this quarter, we have made a transaction, the sale of a portfolio of renewables. And we have not accounted for the success fees of this transaction so far because obviously, the contract has to -- how to say -- we have to close the contract exactly. So anyway, the fees that we're talking about are not material. It will be less than EUR 10 million or even a little bit less. So it is not something that is going to move the arrow. With respect to costs and the headcount, we are reducing the headcount in Spain, and we are doing that for several reasons. The first is that we are investing quite heavily in artificial intelligence, and this is allowing us not to replace the employees that go from the bank either voluntarily mainly. And I remind you that we have absorbed EVO Banco this year, and this means that we have 200 more employees Bankinter Spain, and that was enough to absorb the growth in -- needed in the headcount for the year. But anyway, I think that with respect to the headcount, you can expect the headcount in Spain to remain very stable next year or even to reduce a little bit because of all these investments we are making in artificial intelligence.
Laurie Shepard Goodroe: Thank you. That ends our Q&A session. I would like to thank you on behalf of the entire Bankinter team, and Felipe and I will be there to support you for any questions post the webcast. Thank you all, and have a wonderful day.