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Operator: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Bavarian Nordic Third Quarterly Report for the 9-month period ended 30th of September 2025 Conference Call on Webcast. [Operator Instructions] Please note that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your speaker, Mr. Paul Chaplin, CEO. Please go ahead.
Paul Chaplin: Thank you, and hello, and welcome, everyone, to Bavarian Nordic's Q3 results. Before I start, I just want to make sure you've seen our forward-looking statements on Slide 2. On Slide 3, on today's call, you have myself, Paul Chaplin, and I will walk through the key highlights of the first 9 months and talk a little bit about the excellent progress that we've been -- that we've made. And then I'll hand over to Henrik Juuel, the CFO, who will walk you through the commercial performance and the financials. So if you go to Slide 4, it really has been a fantastic first 9 months of the year. We've recorded close to DKK 4.8 billion in total revenues, which is a 32% increase compared to this time last year, which is a fantastic result and one that is really due to a strong performance across the whole portfolio, both Travel Health and Public Preparedness, and that has resulted in an EBITDA margin of 31%. We've had probably the strongest quarter for our Travel Health business, which is an endorsement of our strategy. And as I'm sure we have many new investors on today's call, I want to just take a few minutes walking you through the graph on the bottom right-hand corner of Slide 4. This shows the financial performance over the last 5 years. And before 2020, Bavarian Nordic was really an R&D-focused company. We had our government business, which we now call public preparedness, and I'll talk more about that. But essentially, we were a loss-making company coming to our shareholders frequently for capital raises. In 2020, we took the bold step on our growth journey to commercialize the business, and we bought 2 assets our rabies and tick-borne encephalitis vaccines, which started our commercial journey. And despite COVID, which obviously had an impact on travel, on travel vaccines, we were able to grow that business. And in '22, we sold more doses of rabies and TBE than any other previous owner. And that's exactly the strategy that we implemented. We thought that we could purchase what I call unloved assets that weren't performing well in previous owners' hands. And with our dedication and focus, we could turn them around. And that's exactly what we've done with rabies and TBE, and that actually are the golden jewels that are really driving the performance for travel health that we have today. In '23, we also added 3 more assets from another company, which complemented our Travel Health portfolio. And one of those was a chikungunya vaccine in Phase III, which is now approved as Vimkunya, which we're launching this year and is also adding not only to the performance in the first 9 months of this year, but is a key driver for the future growth. On top of this, we also had our Public Preparedness business, and I'll talk more about that in the coming slides. But basically, what we've seen over the last 5 years is a complete transformation of Bavarian Nordic from a loss-making R&D-focused company to a profitable vaccine company that is having a huge impact on the global stage in terms of public health. Before I move on, I also want to take note, and I'll leave more of the details in terms of the guidance to Henrik later. But we have refined our guidance today. And I just want to address one comment that I've already read that this is a lowering of our guidance. This is actually not the fact because at the beginning of the year, when we provided the guidance, we had a range for both revenue and EBITDA. This is related to our public preparedness business. And I'll come back to why there's a range, but essentially, this is government contract business where you either get a contract or you don't. And therefore, we had a range. We refined that range during the year. And today, we are recognizing that with 1.5 months left, we have secured -- we have the business that we've secured, which is DKK 3.1 billion which means together with Travel Health and other income, we're at the DKK 6 billion range. While that's at the lower end of the guidance, it is still within guidance. And I would say DKK 3.1 billion in terms of Public Preparedness, I have to remind you, is DKK 1 billion above our annual -- normal annual base business of DKK 1.5 billion to DKK 2 billion. So it's an exceptional year in terms of Public Preparedness, and we are still standing by our revised and high increased guidance for Travel Health of DKK 2.75 billion. So a very strong first 9 months, and I want to actually take this opportunity to thank all the employees for a tremendous effort. It's really down to their focus and dedication that time and time again, I'm allowed to talk on a quarterly basis of our strong financial performance. If we go to Slide 5. On Travel Health, as I said, it's probably the strongest quarter since we've built up this portfolio. We've seen a 23% increase in sales compared to this time last year. And our 2 flagships, rabies and TBE, as I said, these were purchased back in 2020. We've really turned them around. Rabies has gone from strength to strength. We've seen both an improvement in the growth in the market, but also in terms of market share. In the U.S., we've seen a 4% improvement in market share compared to this time last year. And in Germany, we're really seeing a strong growth, a 53% growth in the first 9 months of this year compared to last, which is an outstanding performance. On TBE, again, we have stopped the decline in market share in key markets like Germany since we bought these assets, and we're actually beginning to now see an improvement in market share, particularly in Germany. So we're incredibly happy with the performance that we're seeing in terms of Travel Health, and we believe there is future growth in the months and years to come. If you go to Slide 6. Within our portfolio of Travel Health, we have a vaccine against chikungunya. And chikungunya is a mosquito-transmitted disease. And until very recently, there were no vaccines or treatments available. The vaccine -- our vaccine was part of an acquisition that we acquired in '23 and was approved earlier this year. And subsequently, we've launched our chikungunya vaccine Vimkunya in 10 different countries. So we have had an aggressive launch plan, and we've stuck to that schedule. And we're beginning to see an uptake in the sales of the vaccine, which is great to see. And we're on target to meet the DKK 75 million in the first launch year, which is a very strong performance in our first launch year. We filed for further approvals in Canada and with Swissmedic in Switzerland, and we expect those approvals to be coming next year. And we've already begun some of the post-marketing commitments for expanding the label, and we have a pediatric study and an efficacy study all in progress, which, as I said, are commitments that we've made to the different regulators in the U.S. and Europe. So chikungunya or Vimkunya really represents a future growth potential. Yes, we have to educate and prepare the market, but we believe that this market has the potential to grow to $500 million annually within the next few years, and that's for travel alone. So a great future business opportunity. We turn to the next slide on Public Preparedness. And I want to spend a little bit of time talking about Public Preparedness and what it actually is and why it is different to Travel Health. And the best way of walking you through that is to talk about the revenue graph that's again on the bottom right-hand corner of this slide. And Public Preparedness is actually one vaccine. It's based on a vaccine against smallpox. Smallpox is a disease that has been eradicated. But unfortunately, there is concerns by many governments that smallpox could either reemerge through deliberate release in a bioterrorism attack. It is also closely related to another emerging disease called mpox, formerly known as monkeypox. And we've had a long-standing collaboration with the U.S. government in the development of our vaccine, which is now approved in many countries around the world. And if you look at the graph at the bottom right-hand corner, in 2020, we really had 2 customers, one major customer, which is the U.S. government, where we've secured more than DKK 2 billion in both development and acquisitions over the number -- over the years and Canada. So we had 2 customers. This changed in '22 when there was the first outbreak of mpox. And here, we really saw, and you can see a spike in activity in '22 and '23, where we supplied more than 15 million doses of our smallpox mpox vaccine. And coming through that first outbreak, we were left with more customers. So we now have the EU, both HERA, which is a new organization, but also other funding mechanisms in the EU, such as rescEU. We had other EU nations like France. So going from 2 customers to a handful of customers. At that point, we said our base business moving forward would be DKK 1.5 billion to DKK 2 billion annually, but we would see these spikes from time to time in revenue due to either future outbreaks of mpox or one-off large orders from different governments. Then in '24, we also had another outbreak or a larger sustained outbreak of mpox in Africa, and that also led to a continued spike, which has flowed over into '25. So in this year, we are guiding to secure DKK 3.1 billion in revenue, which is, as I said, about DKK 1 billion higher than our base business of DKK 1.5 billion to DKK 2 billion. So with Public Preparedness, it is not as easy to guide accurately in terms of growth or the future revenues simply because it's all down to government contracts. Some government contracts can take many years to negotiate. And unfortunately, I've been involved in government contracts, which we thought were coming through that fell down at the very last minute. So it is a little bit more unpredictable than a traditional vaccine sales like with Travel Health. But as I've said, we have since '22, been guiding with a base business of DKK 1.5 billion to DKK 2 billion. But obviously, since '22, we've been recording revenues much higher due to the 2 spikes that I've explained. In terms of where we are, we are obviously secured contracts of DKK 3.1 billion already this year. We're well on our road to securing. In terms of the first 9 months this year, we've exceeded the DKK 2 billion already in the first 9 months, and we're well on track to secure the guidance for the rest of the year. We have secured contracts for next year for a total of DKK 1.1 billion. So we're well on our way to securing our base business of DKK 1.5 billion to DKK 2 billion moving forward. We have ongoing clinical studies that are funded through a collaboration with CEPI, both in a pediatric study, which will hopefully support a label extension to include children in addition to the adolescents and adults that we already have. So if we move on to Slide 8, just to talk a little bit about the pipeline. One area is what we call MVA cell line. This is actually a trial that was initiated a few weeks ago, and this is moving away from the egg-based production that we currently have to a proprietary cell line that we've developed. The trial that has started is comparing the safety and immunogenicity of the vaccine produced in the different processes. And this is really an initiative that we've taken, which will greatly improve our manufacturing capacity so that not only can we deal with an mpox outbreak as we have since '22, but we would, with partnerships, also be able to deal with a much larger global outbreak either of mpox, [indiscernible], even smallpox. And it also makes us much more robust for any competition that may come later down the road. Other activities in the pipeline relate to chikungunya. These are post-marketing commitments that we have with the regulators, pediatric study, expanding the label and also an efficacy study and other activities are either funded through DoD or early stage such as Lyme and EBV, which is still preclinical. And with that, I will hand over the presentation to Henrik Juuel.
Henrik Juuel: Thank you very much, Paul. So on Slide #9, just a few more words on the commercial performance for the period. So we delivered for the 3 quarters in Q3 here, we delivered close to DKK 1.8 billion, and that corresponded to an overall revenue growth of 32%. So very significant growth, supported by both our business mix, 50% growth on our Public Preparedness business and 22% on our Travel Health business. If we take the Public Preparedness business, Paul already alluded in detail to this one here. And so that has really been about, first of all, securing orders and executing on these orders this year. So targeting the DKK 3.1 billion for the full year. So strong growth on that front for first 9 months as well compared to prior year. On Travel Health, it is really our Rabies and our TBE business that has been driving the strong growth we have seen both for the quarter but also for 9 months, 22% overall growth, 23% from our Rabies business, 18% from Encepur And I think for both products, I think we can say here, it's driven by both strong market growth, but also strong brand performance and actually market share gains for both products. So very strong performance. Vimkunya, our new vaccine against chikungunya as we launched earlier this year. We are so far very pleased with the performance. We have in a very short time managed to launch in 10 countries, after the Q3 in the Nordic countries, Italy and Spain as well. So we have in record time, I would say, we have actually made quite a wide launch possible. From the start of the year, we guided on Vimkunya DKK 50 million to DKK 100 million, and we are now refining that to the midpoint. That's DKK 75 million, and we have so far delivered DKK 42 million after 9 months. So going very well and in accordance with our expectations. Vivotif, our typhoid vaccine, we are -- on a 9-month basis, we are seeing a positive growth. We have been struggling somewhat with this product, but we are finally starting to see positive growth, and it's being driven by initiatives taken to gain market share. Unfortunately, the typhoid market has been down by approximately 7% these 9 months compared to prior year, but we have actually year-to-date managed to compensate for that market decline by gaining market shares. Third-party products at the end, these are the main driver of that one is our Japanese Encephalitis product that we have a partnership with Valneva that comes to an end by the end of this year and our partnership on hepatitis B vaccine, HEPLISAV-B with Dynavax comes to an end as agreed April next year. So all in all, very strong growth on both parts of our business, 32% for the quarter and actually the same for the full 9 months. So performance that we are very pleased with. On the next slide, we are looking at the full P&L, where we start with the revenue we just talked about DKK 1.8 billion for the quarter. We have a gross margin of 50%, which is significantly up compared to the same quarter last year. This is driven by volume, obviously, the higher volume, the more busy we are in the production area, the more efficient we can be and the easier it is to absorb all the costs to the products being manufactured. But it's also explained by what we call other production costs, which is typically cost -- it could be cost of idle capacity. It could be cost of scrap. It could be caused by less efficient yield coming out of manufacturing. So we have been successful in all these parameters. And therefore, we are seeing a gross margin of the 50% versus 43% last year. R&D cost varies a little from quarter-to-quarter. You will see that we are actually spending less than last year, both for the quarter and for the 9 months. This is mainly due to timing of some of the committed studies we have on chikungunya that is progressing. And on SG&A, you see quite a substantial increase. It's mainly or very largely explained by the launch efforts we are putting behind Vimkunya, the chikungunya vaccine and also by Bavarian Nordic entering into new markets. We have, during the last 12 months, established ourselves a commercial presence in a number of countries, including Canada, it's U.K. and it's France, which, of course, will give us further opportunities to drive growth going forward. If you look further down the P&L, that gives an EBIT of DKK 1.2 billion nearly. Then we have included in that one other operating income of DKK 810 million, which comes from the sale of the priority review voucher that was recognized in the third quarter. Further below, you can see the EBITDA margin, excluding the other operating income, that is DKK 515 million, which corresponds to an EBITDA margin before special items of 29%. So on a 9-month basis, that takes us to an EBITDA, excluding other operating income of nearly DKK 1.5 billion or an EBITDA margin of 31%. So again, strong performance, all in line with what we have communicated previously and in line with our expectations. On the next slide, a quick overview of the cash flow and balance sheet. We saw positive cash flow from operating activities for the 9 months, driven, of course, by the positive profit that the business delivered, but also impacted by the proceeds or the income we earned from the sale of the priority review voucher. Cash flow from investment activities, here, we recognized actually the last milestones that we paid to Emergent BioSolutions and GSK for the acquisitions we did previously. They were recognized here, not all of them paid yet, though. And then finally, cash flow from financing activities is the sum of the share buyback we did previously in the year and then employee warrant exercise that was executed as well. So all in all, a net positive cash flow for the period of DKK 500 million approximately which obviously improves our cash position, which you can see on the table to the right. We do today have a cash position of close to DKK 3 billion. I have to say here, though, that our accounts payable are somewhat inflated at the moment as we still owe DKK 70 million to GSK, and we also owe royalties on the voucher we sold to NIH and taxes to be incurred in connection with the voucher. But a strong cash position of close to DKK 3 billion. Then one slide on our outlook here. As we talked about already, we have refined our outlook. We have confirmed the outlook within the range that was previously communicated. So right now, we are looking at a guidance without an interval as we are so close to the year-end. We do not operate in an interval for the Public Preparedness business any longer, but are expecting DKK 3.1 billion. We confirm the upgraded guidance that we issued in connection with Q2 for the Travel Health business. So that is now DKK 2.750 billion. And then we have some other income adding up to a total of DKK 6 billion. So a confirmation of all previous guidance, but a refinement now being so close to year-end. We are anticipating an EBITDA margin for the full year, excluding the impact from the voucher of 26% and including the voucher, it will be approximately 40%. The 26% is sensitive to how the last 2 months here pans out when it comes to the R&D projects running at the moment. And depending on how they end, there is an upside here that it could be closer to the 27%. But given the current plans, I think we are guiding 26%, and that's most likely where we will end. We have not guided for '26, obviously, but what we have stated here is that we have previously announced an order to BARDA of USD 143 million. Most of that goes into '26. We also announced recently the HERA framework agreement where there is a commitment of 1.1 million doses, where of 750,000 is impacting next year. So if we add the commitments we have so far, we right now have an order book worth DKK 1.1 billion for '26. And we will, of course, keep communicating to the market when there are material orders being added to this order book. The next slide is simply just a slide we brought to sort of round off the process that we have just been through. I don't want to read out every word here, but basically, it has been a longer process with the takeover attempt on Bavarian Nordic. And we just feel it's important to understand that the company was not for sale. We were approached with an offer, which the Board of Directors rejected to start with later in the process, there was an offer where the Board basically judged that now it is at a level where we have to ask the shareholders -- the shareholders has voted. The offer did not succeed. So that is the situation. And we, of course, we acknowledge that and we respect that decision by the shareholders, and we remain an independent listed company, and we continue to execute on the growth strategy that was in place even before this process started. I think we are very pleased to be today to be able to report these numbers here, and we are very grateful to our organization who have actually demonstrated that they have maintained a focus on the business while this process has been running. That has been extremely important to us. We have even seen in our engagement surveys that the company or the employees have really stayed engaged in the company. So thanks to the organization for that. Without that, we wouldn't have been able to deliver these fantastic results that we're seeing here today. And in order to -- to make sure that the market is well informed about the strategy that we talk about, we have called for -- and we call it an investor information meeting on December 11 during the morning. More details will be announced. It will be in Copenhagen. There will be a possibility to attend in person, but it will also be live streamed and recorded. And yes, basically, the agenda will be about give an update on the business and a recap of our growth strategy. But as I said, more details will follow. We will issue a press release once we have the details in place. So with that, I will give the word back to the operator and open up for Q&A.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] we are now going to proceed with our first question. The questions come from the line of Romy O'Connor from VLK.
Romy O'Connor: I have 2, if I may. The first being on your thinking about reaching the DKK 75 million for Vimkunya. I'm just wondering what steps you're now taking given that there's only 1.5 months left in the year? And also maybe a bit on the launch steps of into Canada? And then secondly, just maybe a little bit of color on the bid outcome. I was just wondering what your thinking is by future business development or M&A? And yes, what's your thinking now in terms of focus on value creation into the coming months?
Paul Chaplin: Yes. Thank you for the questions. The first one related to Vimkunya and the projections of DKK 75 million. It's true there's only 1.5 months left for the year, but we only reported to the first 9 months. So we haven't reported some of the months that we've already gone. So we have launched according to plan. We are seeing good traction in a number of countries, slower in others due to some of the national recommendations, but we are confident that with the launches that we've made and the traction that we're seeing that we will be able to meet that target. I think your second question related to the bid outcome and our future growth strategy. I think it's clear, it's important to stress again that our strategy that we put in place back in 2020 was a growth strategy. It was to grow the portfolio of the assets that we purchased over a number of years to grow public preparedness, but it also included additional M&A. I think in my introduction to the presentation today, I tried to highlight the successful history that we've had of not only acquiring assets, but turning these, what I call unloved assets around and also bringing in manufacturing. It's a capability that very few others have demonstrated, and I think it's a key strength. And I think what we want to do is when the opportunity arises is to continue that M&A journey and bring more commercial assets on board. And that's a strategy that we've had in place since 2020. We've been successful at it, and we will continue to execute on it.
Operator: We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from the line of Thomas Bowers from SEB.
Thomas Bowers: A couple of questions. So firstly, just on shareholder returns. Can you give us any color on the current plans for any share buybacks now that we are out of this M&A process? So I think that you were talking a little bit about share buyback of excess cash. So anything that could sort of reflect the PRV sale you did here in the summer? And then second question, just on JYNNEOS. So just wondering the delta between the previous guidance range, so looking at that DKK 3.7 billion at the high end of the range. So we have around DKK 600 million delta compared to the DKK 3.1 billion guidance. So I'm just curious, normally, you only guide for something that you are sort of where you are in negotiations with governments or potential customers. So those DKK 600 million, is that something that we should expect could simply or likely move into 2026 and of course, not part of that DKK 1.1 billion? Or is there something else that we need to be aware of in terms of those -- of that delta? And then maybe just a question on Travel Health, super, super strong momentum, surprises me every time. And now looking at your guidance for '25, so you're sticking to that DKK 2.75 billion. Of course, there as you hit up with some of the [ typhoid ] vaccines. But you are now DKK 400 million short of reaching that DKK 2.75 billion. And looking at the numbers, so you're sort of implying that [indiscernible] should be flat or even slightly decreasing for the remainder of the year. So is there anything here that I'm sort of not seeing? Or are you just maybe a little bit conservative given it's normally a weak quarter, of course? And then maybe if I can squeeze in number 4 here, just on the R&D phasing, can you provide any color on the scenarios from Vimkunya? So we know that this outbreak in Thailand is pending or potentially ongoing. So is there any think that indicate that this should shift into '26? And what could be the R&D spend cost reduction range, so to say, for the '25. So you're guiding still for DKK 900 million. So I'm just understanding whether it's going to save you DKK 100 million or where we are here. Yes, I'll stick to that. I can repeat if...
Paul Chaplin: Some of them. But let me take the JYNNEOS guidance. And then maybe, Henrik, I'll let you take the other one. So on JYNNEOS guidance, a few years ago, we would only really guide on Public Preparedness on contracts that we had in hand. And that reflected the fact that we had very few customers. So we didn't have the confidence a few years ago to guide broader I would say that has changed over the last number of years that we're guiding, obviously, with contracts that we know we have in hand, plus what we also think that we can secure within the next 12 months. So it's not actually only things that we're negotiating, it's things that we believe that we can secure. I mentioned in the presentation that sometimes, unfortunately, part of the unpredictability of the part of this business is that it's with governments, right? And even though you can be very -- one day, you're incredibly confident that you're going to secure a contract, there may be a change in a political leader or the government may change, and it completely stops overnight. So it is unpredictable. What I would say is where we guided is where we thought the range would be. That's why we gave a range. Already in Q2, we stressed that DKK 3.1 billion was secure, but that we thought we could secure more. You've seen that we have announced an agreement with HERA. That could have come earlier in the year potentially that could have led to more revenues this year, but it's now pushed into next year. Obviously, that doesn't account for the whole DKK 600 million that you're referring to. But I would say what the guidance reflects is that some contracts came later than we anticipated and some contracts were still unsure whether we can secure. I hope that answers that question. And then Henrik, maybe.
Henrik Juuel: Yes. Let me try the other 3, Thomas. I think, first of all, on the share buyback thing, I think what we have communicated previously is that our capital allocation policy, priority #1 there is to pay back the milestone payments to GSK and Emergent. That's soon behind us. It is not yet though. We still owe EUR 70 million to GSK, which we expect to be paid early Q1. Number 2 priority, of course, is to invest in the business, and that means R&D, it also means sales and marketing to grow the top line. And then I think third priority would be to look into our M&A strategy and eventually consider returning money to the shareholders. It's very clear we are not a bank, and we are constantly evaluating that situation. So what is the current need? What do we have on the balance sheet? Is that appropriate for the plans we have? If not, then we will return money to the shareholders. At this point in time, so that as this is a continuous evaluation, I cannot give you any more update right now. But of course, we evaluate the situation constantly. On Travel Health for the fourth quarter and our outlook, we are still guiding the DKK 2.750 billion. And here, I think you need to remember that some of our travel vaccines are seasonal vaccines. We sell in all quarters, but some quarters are better than others. So typically, the fourth quarter is not the strongest quarter. So we are still targeting DKK 2.750 billion for the full year. And on the R&D phasing, we are still targeting the DKK 900 million in R&D for the full year to a large extent driven by the Vimkunya committed trials that we have to do. I'm just alluding to that, there could be some of it phased into next year. And typically with the clinical trials, I think a lot of the steps you go through there, the timing can change. So some of it could slip into next year of the R&D spend. If that happens, then, of course, it could impact our EBITDA margin positively this year. But let's see, the plan is still DKK 900 million. And we're only raising this as it's a little out of control with the exactly at what pace these trials they run.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] we are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from the line of Lucy Codrington from Jefferies.
Lucy-Emma Codrington-Bartlett: Just regarding chikungunya then. In terms of the U.S. launch, I was wondering how important is the MMRW publication when it comes to launching in the U.S.? And then maybe a bit niche, but in similar lines, have you thought about the potential substitute that the New England Journal of Medicine and Public Health Group have talked about replacing the MMRW? And any thoughts on that at all?
Paul Chaplin: Yes. Thank you. Yes. So this is a tricky one. So yes, in the U.S., post approval from the FDA, you need an ACIP recommendation, which we're very fortunate that we have for chikungunya. And that recommendation, as you then say, is then published in the MMWR, which is a publication from CDC. And many of the distributors actually want to see the publication, even though it's recommended and it's posted on the website before they will start to purchase. And obviously, the situation where we're in is the MMWR has not been published. And it has, as we said, has slowed down the traction, I would say. The one thing I would also give as another example is that when we launched JYNNEOS in the private market in the U.S., the same situation. We had a recommendation from ACIP, but actual fact, the MMWR was only published earlier this year. And what we did in that situation was that we were able to convince the distributors that they could start to acquire the product before the publication, and that was successful. And I would say we're in that phase right now. We've convinced some already to go ahead with chikungunya, and we're still convincing others. So it has certainly slowed down the traction, but it's something that we've already had experience of with JYNNEOS. And again, one of the main arguments for that is there's always been sometimes a lengthy delay between the recommendation and the publication. And right now, it's very uncertain with ACIP and CDC what would the time will be. And as you say, that is leading to many others talking about alternatives and whatever, but we'll have to just see how that develops.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from the line of Thomas Bowers from SEB.
Thomas Bowers: Just a quick follow-up here for me. Just on the sales and marketing cost spike you can say here in the third quarter related to mostly Vimkunya, of course. But should we see this as sort of a new baseline going forward? Or is there some one-off expenses in that Q3 S&M number that we should be aware of just to sort of have an indication on how we should model at least going forward?
Henrik Juuel: I think that there's certainly an element of one-off in there because typically when you launch a new product, you will be in a launch phase that will require promotional costs for a period of time. So it's for a period of time, but such a launch can easily stretch over like, let's say, 2 years perhaps. And then you will see at least the promotional spend part of it to normalize again. But right now, I think we are spending money establishing the awareness of chikungunya and Vimkunya in particular, in the markets. It's a nonexisting market in most places we go into. So therefore, there is a need to build the awareness. But it will normalize after a couple of years where you can no longer argue you're in a launch phase.
Operator: That does conclude the question-and-answer session. I will now hand back to Mr. Paul Chaplin for closing remarks.
Paul Chaplin: Thank you, and thanks, everyone, for joining the call and for your interest and the questions. Thanks, and have a great day and a good weekend.
Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you, and have a good day.