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Operator: Good morning, everyone, and thanks for waiting. Welcome to the conference for the disclosure of results of the third quarter '25 of Cogna Educação. [Operator Instructions] We inform you that this conference is being recorded and will be available in the RI site of the company, www.cogna.com.br, where you can find the whole material for this result disclosure. You can also download the presentation in the chat icon even in English. [Operator Instructions] Before going on, we would like to clear that eventual declarations being made in this conference regarding the business perspectives of Cogna, projections, operational and financial targets are the beliefs and premises of the company and the management as well as the information available for Cogna. Future information are not guarantee performance, and they depend on circumstances that may happen or not. So you have to understand that the general conditions, the sector conditions and other operational factors may affect the future results of Cogna and may lead to results that will be materially different from those expressed in future conditions. I'd like now to pass on the floor to Roberto Valério, CEO of Cogna to start his presentation. Mr. Roberto, please, the floor is yours.
Roberto Valério: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for participating on the conference to discuss the results of the third quarter of '25. As we always do, we have Frederico Villa, our CFO here; Guilherme Melega, the Head of Vasta. This call will last 1 hour in which we'll have a 40-minute presentation and 20 minutes for the Q&A. So I'd like to start this meeting by saying once again that we understand this is one more quarter with great results in our understanding. We keep growing with the ability of operational delivery in a quite good way. It grows in a fast pace in double digits in the quarter and in the 9 months. So we are growing almost 19% of revenue in the third quarter and 13% in the 9 months. And I'd like to say that both the core business, therefore, higher education and basic education are growing double digits, and we keep investing in new fronts and future opportunities as it is the case of our business line for governmental sales as another example with our franchise starting. So from the point of view of growth, we understand that the core has a lot of capacity to deliver results. We are growing double digits with the same assets. Since the beginning of the structure in 2021, we understand that the core business still have a lot of opportunity to grow, basically refining and improving processes and the client experience. But we keep here planting and seeding new business to grow the company. The same way, the operational results keeps growing in double digits, basically 10% in the quarter and 12.4% in the year in the accumulated of the year. So this is the 18th consecutive quarter with the EBITDA growing. I'd like to reinforce our concern with consistency and it's a structural growth. So it's been 4.5 years that we are consecutively growing operational results. From the point of view of EBITDA margin, this quarter is pressured by an increase in the PCLD regarding Pague Fácil that was something that we did in Kroton in the commercial cycle. We will explore in the next slides as well as lower margin in Saber due to seasonality. And as you know, Saber, as Somos has the fourth quarter and the first quarter as strong quarters from the point of view of results and the third quarter is a smaller one. But in this case here of Saber, it pressured a little, but we'll talk specifically about PCLD later on. Now talking about the net revenue, we had BRL 405 million in the 9 months accumulated. So in spite the delta growth in the quarter to the net income was BRL 220 million because we had losses in the third quarter of '24. And when we analyze the 9 months, the delta of the net income is BRL 450 million. Obviously, it's being fostered by the improvement in operational results that we emphasize in the quarters we are talking about, but not especially, but also due to the reduction in the financial expenses to reduce the debt and our liability management strategies that allow the cost of debt to be lower. Therefore, the operational results with the lower expenses is happening in the net income. In terms of cash generation, we reached BRL 392 million with BRL 1.9 million less compared to last year. And as we always do, we let you judge if these points are one-offs or not. But in the third quarter of '24, we recovered taxes in cash of more than BRL 115 million. Obviously, if we compare operational to operational in the recover of taxes, our growth in the GCO would be 38%, therefore, quite a strong one. In the accumulated 33% of growth, almost BRL 940 million in post OGC. So the highlight of the quarter and the 9 months is the free cash flow. We reached BRL 300 million in this quarter, BRL 583 million in the 9 months accumulated. Just to emphasize, there's almost BRL 584 million in 9 months. This is 50% more than all the free cash flow generation in the whole year of '24. So in 9 months, as we generated more cash, 50% more of free cash flow than the whole year of '24. Now going to the debt, we reduced the net debt in BRL 474 million in the 12 months. I emphasize that only in the second quarter here, our reduction was more than BRL 220 million. So the cash generation is, in fact, being used to reduce debt. And then Fred will explain that aside from the reduction, we can also have important reductions in the average cost of the debt. Regarding leverage, we reached 1.1x the EBITDA, the lowest one in the last 7 years. The last time we had this level of leverage was in 2018. Therefore, we are quite satisfied with the results and prospectively thinking for the fourth quarter into '26, we keep having the same -- we keep optimistic and trusting that we have everything to have consistent results. Now going to Slide 5, we will talk about the operational performance of Kroton. And I think I can start by emphasizing the growth in intake more than 7% in the period. I would like to emphasize specifically the growth of the presential one. That is not the first cycle of intake. It's the third cycle that we have growth in the presential. And with the growth, I'll talk later, but with the growth specifically in the high LBV, I mean the most expensive courses, which help us in the ticket. And I relate this growth and the presential to our commercial model that is fine-tuned in the campy and is allowing this growth. And in distance education with a growth of 6.4% that is specifically to the change in the regulation for GL that fostered the course, mainly the health care courses that bring not only the benefits of growth, but also the improvement of the average ticket. So in the mix, it helps a lot. Obviously, we have a lot of evolution in the team, improvement of processes, systems and commercial strategies, but I reinforce that in the presential, this fine-tuned model in the campus helped a lot and the change in the regulation of DL fostered the enrollment, mainly in the health care courses that are the most impacted by the new regulations. The student base grew 2.7% in total. But if we consider only ProUni and ex ProUni, the ones that, in fact, pay and generate cash to us, the student base grew 4%, quite important and consistent as it's been over the last years. From the point of view of average ticket I also have emphasis here in this quarter because the Kroton as a whole is growing 11.7% in 3 segments: presential, DL and on-site -- I'm sorry, KrotonMed, and we have 2 points helping the average ticket. Newcomers, as I mentioned, in on-site, we have more enrollment in the most expensive tickets and in DL, also more newcomers in the health care courses on average with a greater ticket. But I also have to mention that we can repass the inflation to the old students in KrotonMed on-site and DL. So we have both old and new students with an increase in the average ticket, which pushed this growth to almost 12 points. Now in Slide 6, talking about the net revenue. Obviously, if we have more enrollment. And I forgot to say something important here about intake reinforcing that, obviously, the volume of intake is important to us, but the balance between volume and ticket is very relevant. We are always analyzing take analyzing the revenue in the period and the revenue grew 41% in this period. When you have a new period growing the revenue, and we know that the students will be with us for many semesters. In perspective, we have quite a positive result regarding the revenue for the next months and quarters. Now talking about revenue specifically. So we grew almost 21%, growing a lot on-site and online education. So we grew a lot in both front. So to be completely transparent, even if we reclassify the discounts that, as you know, we have a complete disclosure with all the items we are using since we reclassified the discount with inactive students for IDD with a neutral impact in the EBITDA, but adjusting the revenue, this growth instead of 20.9% would be 15.9%, but even though quite a strong double-digit growth. I'm talking about the accumulated, it's the same, 17% in on-site and DL. And here, we see the effect of Pague Fácil that we'll talk later is more diluted. Therefore, the delta between the growth we see of 17.4% and the growth ex Pague Fácil is smoother. Now in Slide 7 and talking about the gross profit as a whole, it grew 21.5% with a small increase in the gross margin from 79.4% to 79.9%. And in the same way in the accumulated in the year, we had an important growth in gross profit and a slight growth in the gross margin, which shows that the growth in operation in its core that is revenue minus cost is quite positive, and we are gaining on efficiency when we analyze the 9 months. The gross margin improved 0.7% with a small reduction in the margin of KrotonMed, and it's important to emphasize that in the 18 courses that we have, the medicine courses that we have, 3 are new. And as they mature, they increase the base of cost as we hire more professors. So the amount of hours increased, the general cost increase. So it pressures a little the margin, but according to expected and completely in line with our plans. So in Slide 8, costs and expenses. As you can see when we analyze cost and expenses with the percentage of net revenue, we have a gain in performance in all lines. So corporate expenses with a small gain in performance, the operational ones gaining more than 3 point percent of market and sales with diluting 1 point percent as the cost, as I mentioned in the previous slide. So the company grows and grows keeping the costs controlled and specifically the expenses controlled, which makes us gain efficiency and diluted with the percentage of net revenue. The only difference is PCLD that I'll explore in 2 slides because in the third quarter of '24, it was 6.2% growing 7.6% going to 13.8% due to 2 factors, both the reclassification of the discounts for inactive students as well as the greater penetration of Pague Fácil, but I will talk about it in other slides. When we look at the accumulated, you see that we keep growing in efficiency with no operational expenses and marketing and cost and I'm in Slide 9. So we have more -- 2 points more of dilution and marketing, 1.4%. So gaining efficiency, we see that the operation is quite adjusted. Now in Slide 10, so that we take more time here explaining those differences in the PCLD, we made this diagram to be easier to understand. So I am on the left and considering the third quarter of '24 with the first information, you can see the net revenue, BRL 939 million, which was published in the third quarter '24. The PCLD was BRL 58 million. Therefore, the percentage would be 6.2%. With the reclassification of the discounts that is so that we didn't have a reduction in the revenue every time we renegotiated with an inactive student, we would start classifying the discounts in the PDA. So in the pro forma of the third quarter of '24, the PDA would be BRL 98 million and not BRL 58 million, but the revenue would increase from BRL 939 million to BRL 980 million. So in the pro forma comparing it, the third quarter of '24 to '25, the PDA divided by the NOR would be 13.4% and 13.8%. Therefore, an increase of 3.7% in the PDA. So I explained the first delta of the 6.2% that adjusted by the reclassification of discount would be 10.1%. And if we consider delta for Pague Fácil, that is the offer that we implemented in this quarter, the PDA would be stable. And why would it be stable? Because our inadequacy is not increasing. It's kept the same. The fact is that when we offer more offers in Pague Fácil, that is the facility to pay the first installments. We don't have the history of credit of the students. So we provision more than students that we already have their history so that you have a reference. The level of provisioning is close to 10% to the student with the history. And in this case here of the students coming with this offer of Pague Fácil, we provision 47%, therefore, a greater provision. So that's the explanation, so why the PDA is growing. So it increases in this quarter because this is when we give the offer to the student. And in the fourth quarter, we don't have the offer anymore because we don't have newcomers anymore. So you see a convergence of the PDA to the closer number of pro forma. So explaining the movements, I would like to take some minutes here for you to understand the offer itself. So with the change of the regulatory framework, many players among us started communicating that they should take the period before the regulatory framework change to enrolling courses that won't be available anymore. But during the intake process, we realized that many players were offering discounts in the monthly payment. So in practice, it reduces the LTV of the student because all the payments that we come along the life of the student will be with a lower ticket. So we decided another offer. So to keep the average ticket, but offering to pay the second -- first and second payments in July and August in our case, installment. So the student enrolls because they are making the enrollment in middle of August when classes started. So they didn't pay July and they didn't pay August. They are starting to pay from August on. So these 2 parcels were not a bonus. So we divided them installments during the period of the student course. So in this case, the students in 4 years would be divided into 46 months. So as we don't know the credit profile of the students, they are new. So we provision more with these 2 payments that we booked and we are receiving month by month. So for you to understand clearly the offer, that's it. And it makes sense because we don't give up on the average ticket. We don't reduce the LTV of the student. We simply consider installments for the payment of 1 or 2 monthly payments along their course of time. So if you have more doubts regarding that, we can discuss in the Q&A. And we have a second table that is the deadline for receiving, which shows that the default is still positive. That's why we are decreasing the average deadline from 47 to 34 days. So this is the clear proof that is the P&L because we see that the student is, in fact, generating cash. Now going to Slide 11. The consequence of all that is the EBITDA result. Therefore, the EBITDA in the quarter grew 10% in the year accumulated 15.8%. So you can see a drop in the margin between the third quarter of '24 and '25 going from 37% to 36%. So the reclassification of discounts and the additional provision of Pague Fácil is pressuring the margin because it is increasing the PDA, but all the other costs like marketing, operations, corporate is all -- they are all diluted and gaining on efficiency, and we see that clearly in the results and in the cash generation. With that, I finish the explanation of Kroton, and I'd like to pass on the floor to Guilherme Melega for the comments on Vasta.
Guilherme Melega: Thank you, Roberto. I'll go on with Slide 13 on the net revenue. I'll concentrate on the graph on the right with the commercial cycle because the third quarter is the one finishing what we call the commercial cycle of Somos Educação that goes from October to September. So here, we have the total idea of how the classroom behaved and everything that happened and will -- that happened in '25. So we reached BRL 1.737 billion, which is 13.6% considering the cycle of '24. The highlight is the subscription products with the teaching and complementary solutions that grew 14.3%, reaching BRL 1.32 billion. And now the non-subscription had an increase of 17%, reaching BRL 118.6 million result of the growth of our 2 flagships all in Anglo, one in São José do Rio Preto and the Pasteur Institute also with a growth in the pre-SAT courses in the year. So we acknowledge the growth in the 2 main business lines of the company. I also emphasize the B2G, bringing a natural volatility, but we could with new contracts keep the balance in this line of revenue, also keeping a similar level to '24, reaching BRL 76.2 million, BRL 66.8 million, I'm sorry. In Slide 14, I'll show our subscription sector. So we start on the right, where we have the breakdown of the core segments that are the learning and teaching segment. The complementares, the social emotional bilingual, makers and other complementary activities to the basic subjects, our growth was quite robust, reaching 14.3% in total. But the core segments grew 12.5% and the complementary segments, 25% as we can see a faster growth in the complementary over the years. And I'd also like to emphasize something that Roberto commented that is quite important to us. That is our consistency over the years, delivering that. So on the left, we see the first ACV of Vasta that is in 2020 when we acknowledge BRL 692 million compared to BRL 1.552 billion that we are delivering by the end of this semester. It represents 2.3x more, so a figure of 17.5%. So we are quite satisfied with the performance we can reach with the gain in market share and the penetration that our products are having on the private market. Now going to Slide 15, talking about the EBITDA, we grew 10.6% in our EBITDA, focusing here also in the cycle. We reached BRL 480.9 million EBITDA, the greatest one of Vasta in the commercial cycle, representing a margin of about 28%, in line with the previous year. And here, we will decompose a little our expenses going to Slide 16. I'll talk briefly because the third quarter to Vasta is not so significant, but it is important to note when we look at the table, our recurring gain in lower provisioning of PCLD. So we had a provisioning here, a lower one as we observed in other quarters. And we have more investments in marketing and sales because we are in the peak of the campaign for '26. But when we analyze the next slide, 17, we have an idea on how our expenses behaved in a complete cycle. So here, we have our total expenses when we analyze the table with the percentage of revenue, keeping in 71% with emphasis to the gains in productivity that we have in corporate expenses, operational expenses and PDA, as I mentioned in the previous slides. We have small investments in marketing and sales that should keep the double digit of the revenue. And in costs, I call your attention to the impact of 2.1% result of a mix that comprises more and more complementary products that we pay royalties for. So they have a higher cost like bilingual and social emotional as well as the Mackenzie system that grows in a fast pace. So these products have royalty, they increment a little our costs. On the other hand, we do not deliver capital to develop the product. So when you look at the benefit that we have in the cash, it's much greater than the small points of margin that we observed in the total costs. And lastly, I would like to emphasize that we are in the peak of the commercial campaign for the cycle of '26. We are quite optimistic with this period to keep the growth and keep the history of ACV as we saw before, we will have probably quite a good '26. I emphasize that we reached more than 50 contracts and we are operating 6 units this year. Next year will be 8 as franchising with a total of 14 units and the B2G is a big path of growth that we have with a lot of prospection at this moment, and we hope to have quite a hot fourth quarter to supply the cycle of '26. Now I pass on the floor to Fred to go on the presentation.
Frederico da Cunha Villa: Thank you, Guilherme. Good morning, everyone. I'll start the presentation of Saber. And remember that Saber has some businesses, the national program of didactic books, languages, other services encompassing governmental solutions and so on. So note the graph on the left that in the quarter, we grew the revenue from -- of 9.4%. So this growth was fostered by the hitting of 2 business. First of all, 17% in languages; and secondly, the growth of Acerta Brasil that is governmental solutions with a growth of about 38%. It's important to remember that in '25, this is the year of purchase for high school and repurchase for elementary school. In high school, we had a gain of 8% in market share, which shows the growth that we have in our products with the program of didactic books. However, we see that there is no representativity in the quarter. We had a displacement from the third to the fourth quarter. Now going to the graph on the right, in the accumulated, I had a reduction of 9% in 9 months comparing '24 to '25. So this reduction, as I mentioned before, is only a reflect of the displacement and the reduction of the PDA, but it's according to the fourth quarter, and we had businesses with a positive impact of about BRL 32 million in 9 months in '24. And in the year, in the 9 months, the big effect here was in the first quarter that we've had a revenue that walked back in about BRL 60 million, but our expectations, as I mentioned before, is that we will have a stronger fourth quarter with the displacement of the didactic books program. So going to Slide 20, talking about the recurring EBITDA and margin EBITDA. As we said before, this is a year to grow the margin, but with the EBITDA growing and it shouldn't mainly due to the effects of investments that we will have in the material for marketing and all the commercial part, mainly, as I mentioned before, due to the repurchase program of high school and in the accumulated of 9 months that finishing September 30, we saw a growth in our EBITDA of 16%, leaving from -- going from 67.5% to 78.5% with an expansion of margin and 4.7%. So it's a neutral semester with a growth in revenue, but without growing the EBITDA, but this is due mainly to the displacement of the PDA. Our expectation is to have quite a positive fourth quarter. Finishing the presentation of Saber, I start now Cogna. Cogna represents our 3 main businesses like Kroton and Somos and Vasta, and I just mentioned Saber. So just a brief summary going to the final presentation. We had a growth in the revenue in the quarter in Cogna of 18.9%, reaching BRL 1.523 billion. So we grew revenue in all businesses. And in the accumulated, we also reached BRL 4.816 billion with a robust growth. That going to Slide 23, we have the demonstration in the recurring EBITDA and margin EBITDA. So we grew the EBITDA in the third quarter 9.8%, reaching an EBITDA of almost BRL 423 million. And as I mentioned, we grew the revenue in our 3 main businesses in Saber. We decreased the EBITDA, but we have the effect, as Roberto mentioned before, the effect of our commercial strategy in Kroton for intakes via Pague Fácil. And the main goal here was to keep the average ticket. You can see in our release that we can keep and have even growth in our intakes, and we had an impact in the PDA. We grew with the program to pay installments in Kroton, and in this way, we grew the PDA in the accumulator of 9 months, we grew 12.4% reaching an EBITDA of BRL 1.530 billion. Now going to Slide 24 with net profit and margin. In the quarter, the third quarter of '24, we had losses of BRL 29 million, and now we reached a net profit of BRL 192 million with a growth of more than 700% and a growth in the margin of net profit. And this comes from the growth of our operational results and it grew about 10%. We had a reduction of our financial results. So with many initiatives here in liability management and renegotiation, we reduced our financial results in 13%. And the main effect here is the effect of taxes of BRL 126 million and the reason we demonstrated this continuation and the operational effects and what are these effects mainly here with the reversion in the contingency that is not going over our EBITDA and the recurrent results, and we had the condition of the income that I briefly explain means that we had a company, Saber that had the tax losses in revenue income. And we incorporated this company so that we had this benefit in this year and future benefits. So look at this year, we had accountability effect of BRL 126 million. But in the fourth quarter, we will compensate BRL 11 million in taxes. So this operation brings not only accountant benefits, but in the cash of '25 and the years to come. If the accumulated, we reached almost BRL 406 million next year -- last year, in December 31, '24, we had a profit of BRL 879 million. Just remember that part would come from a reversion of contingency and our net profit of the operation was BRL 120 million. So in 9 months, ex effect of the income taxes, we reached the net profit of the operation compared to the previous year. And finishing that, the most important to us in the company is as we manage the company and we look a lot that for getting EBITDA and now analyzing the net profit and the cash generation and free cash. So we can see that in the operational cash generation, we had a slight reduction of 12%, reaching -- going from BRL 392 million last year. And last year, we had a positive effect of BRL 150 million of receivables of taxes from the federal revenue, and we had this benefit last year. We didn't have the benefit this year, but it's part of the game. So there is no adjustment. We are not proposing that. We are just explaining. But the most important to us is the free cash flow that we grew in the free cash flow. And when I say that, it is the generation of operational cash post CapEx and debt. So we reached BRL 300 million with a growth of about 3%. I'd like to mention also that the company analyzing the risks, we kept the second quarter of '24, '25 compared to the third one or the third of '24 with the third quarter of '25, we had a risk neutral with a small decrease of about BRL 9 million regarding the second quarter of '25 and BRL 17 million compared to the third quarter of '24. So you can see that the cash -- the free cash flow is not coming from postponing the risk. We are reducing our risk. And just to finish the free cash flow, an important data is that in the accumulated, we reached BRL 584 million last year. We had a generation of BRL 395 million. So remember that our fourth quarter, as I mentioned, is strong here in the national program of didactic books, and it's also a strong quarter in Somos Educação. So we are thrilled with what is about to come to the fourth quarter. Now going to the end of the presentation, our cash position and debt, we -- in Slide 26, I would show that the important is that we are reducing the net debt. So we reached BRL 2,576 million. We finished the third quarter in a strong cash position with BRL 1.277 billion. And the message here is analyzing the amortization schedule. In '26, we don't need to do any debt, and we have no amortization for '26, which is generally a difficult year because it's the elections year. Now going to Slide 27, the last one of my presentation, I'd like to show the leverage of the company. We reached the leverage of 1.11x, our lowest level of leverage since the fourth quarter 2018. Considering the third quarter of '24, our leverage would be 1.58x. We had a reduction and more than leverage. We monitor also the net debt. So we had a reduction of net debt compared to the last year, BRL 474 million. And regarding the second quarter of '25 compared to the third one, a reduction of BRL 230 million, which shows that in the last 4 years, we are doing what we say, what we committed to hit the revenue and generate EBITDA that will do the deleverage of the company, free cash flow and reduction of net debt. And last but not least, our average cost of debt is reducing. So in the third quarter '24, we had an average cost of 1.82%. And in the third quarter, it's 1.52%. And as we understand the market and our rating that we maintain that, but with a positive prognostic. We have cost of an eventual debt for future liability management in a lower cost than this one that I mentioned of 1.52%. So we are still thrilled with more execution, more work. And I pass on the floor to Roberto Valério for the final considerations.
Roberto Valério: Thank you. Now going to Slide 28. I reaffirm our pillars and growth is one of the pillars. It's not by chance, it's the first in the list. As we showed, we grow in all operations, and we are planting and developing new pathways of growth to the future. As Fred mentioned, we are thrilled to the end of the year, the fourth quarter that is generally with no news in Kroton, but given the diversity of our portfolio, we have good quarters in Vasta and Saber with a positive perspective to the year. And we see no different challenge to '26. We see the level of unemployment very low, people with good income. This is -- next year is electoral year, which benefits our businesses. We are quite positive to this item of growth. From the point of view of efficiency, it's in the DNA of the company. We have quite well designed all the processes. We are converging systems to 1 or 2 single systems to gain on synergy and speed. So we are working in improvement of processes, automation systems, implementing AI. That is something we've been doing since '23. So basically 2 years, almost 3. And this is something that is spreading in our value chain, and it will keep bringing efficiency in gross margin and reduction of expenses. So this is another front that we see opportunities. Experience, the client experience is something that is the core of our decisions. We keep improving the NPS of students and partners. So just for you to understand in this third quarter, we had 4 important awards that are related to customer experience in many segments. So it is still our focus, and we understand that we serve well to reduce the churn and improve the growth. And culture -- people and culture is an important pillar. We are investing a lot in training and development and assessing performance and skills and feedback of our workers so that they know how to develop and external trainings and courses, I think we are progressing a lot in this front. And it's not by chance that we could be in the ranking of the best companies -- Great Places to Work. So we have the GPTW, still, we've had that, but being in the ranking is very difficult, and we are there at the 12th position, and we are in the 6th position, I'm sorry. And it's quite nice and innovation, we are supporting the business areas of the company, speeding up the B2G and new ideas that are under discovery in the initial steps, but I'm pretty sure are the seeds for our growth in education that is a big segment, and our approach is not only one segment. We have a multi-segmentary strategy. We have a broad portfolio, which in fact increases the options of growth to us. From the point of view of ESG, it is still important in the agenda. We held the V Education & ESG Forum this quarter. We were acknowledged in the ranking besides being acknowledged for being the best companies in customer satisfaction by the MESC Institute and some awards among which the best legal department in the education sector. So it's said by other people, which is also more important because it's not our opinion. It's the experts in the sector saying that to us. With that, I finish our presentation, and I open for the Q&A. Thank you.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] The first question is from Marcelo Santos, sell-side analyst, JPMorgan.
Marcelo Santos: I have 2 questions. First, I'd like to mention Pague Fácil because you've always had the PMT. So I understand that, in fact, you increased the amount of that, but the program would be the same. So I'd like to be sure of that. And was it more focused in DL? Is it -- does it have something to do with competition? I would like to understand why it's stronger in the divisions that you showed. And I would like to know if next year, it will be more normalized. And the second question is related to the cash generation because the fourth quarter last year was very good. So is there any event, any effect to change the seasonality for this year? Or you would bet to say that it would be the same as last year?
Roberto Valério: Well, Marcelo, thank you for the question. So regarding Pague Fácil, you are correct. It's the same program we already had. So the mechanism is the same. The only thing is that now we are offering to more students. In general, we would offer the benefits to the students later on in the course when they enter in August or September, and we offer now since the beginning of the intake process when we start offering the benefit beforehand, more students make use of this. So the penetration of the program increases. So it's the same program with the same -- greater penetration for newcomers, which means that looking ahead, we should then see new growth. It should be more stable when comparing the quarters because the penetration was almost absolute, let's say, quite high. Basically, all students enrolled took advantage of Pague Fácil in the period. And regarding the cash generation, Fred will say.
Frederico da Cunha Villa: Well, Marcelo, thank you for your question. In the fourth quarter last year, we had a strong operational cash generation. This is the beauty of our business, the diversity that we have. So last year, we had a positive effect of the national program of didactic books and also governmental solutions. And the cash here wouldn't have anything different compared to what happened in Kroton last year. And our expectation is to have a positive cash, and it comes with the same effect that we've had last year with the national program of the didactic books. A point of attention here is that we are a little late. We would imagine that our third quarter would be stronger. The government is late. So it may bring some impact to the cash in the fourth quarter, but our expectation is not different from previous years. It is to receive in the fourth quarter. But if we don't, Marcelo, then we should receive in the first 15 days or the first 2 any -- first days in January '26. But as I mentioned, it is our daily life.
Marcelo Santos: Just a follow-up in Pague Fácil, Roberto, it is more concentrated in some of the units due to the competition, it was more in DL or is it general? I would like to understand this point.
Roberto Valério: Sorry, you asked this question, and I didn't answer. It's generated. It's not focused in DL, both on-site and DL and the corresponding courses of KrotonMed.
Operator: The next question comes from Vinicius Figueiredo, the sell-side analyst, Itaú BBA.
Vinicius Figueiredo: I'd like to discuss a little bit about this quarter because we had a more concentrated effect. You mentioned a lot PDA in Pague Fácil that reached the margin. But having that said, a good behavior of all lines in this quarter, along with the fourth quarter not being with such a strong PDD due to the lower intake. So does it make sense that this quarter was quite atypical regarding the performance comparing the margins of the years, and we would see the cycle again an expansion in the fourth quarter? And then in the context of next year, will this effect along with the investments to adequate to regulation, how is that as a whole? And the second point is a follow-up to Marcelo's question. What would you see here as the balance point to Pague Fácil? Outside this context -- this is a typical context of the second semester and looking ahead, what is the participation it should have as a whole?
Roberto Valério: Vinicius, thank you for your questions. I think it is quite an important topic to us that you have it quite clear in Pague Fácil and PDD. So as basically all students came via Pague Fácil, there shouldn't have any additional impact in any other quarters. So let's consider that in the third quarter '26, if all students have Pague Fácil, the delta should be only the growth of the enrollment and not the take rate of Pague Fácil. So we have nowhere to go because basically all students took Pague Fácil, whatever grows in the PCLD is related to the intake for the future. So this is the first point. The second point, you are correct. As in the fourth quarter, we don't have newcomers. Therefore, we don't have the pressure of Pague Fácil. The trend is that PCLD comes to the average and reduces to a lower level like the inadequacy and the numbers that we have here, as Fred always mentioned, a PDA of processes of inadequacy would convert to that, therefore, remove the pressure of the PDA improving the margin trend. And you are perfect in your observation. Obviously, we cannot predict -- we cannot give a specific guidance, but this is the specification. I don't know, Fred, do you have any additional comments?
Frederico da Cunha Villa: Well, no comments. It's exactly that. The comment I would make is that that as we collected more with Pague Fácil because Pague Fácil and PMT are only different commercial names, but basically, it's the same. So the important is that the PDA is high due to the payment installments if our inadequacy is in X. So this effect is in line and close to 10%. So we'll see the quarters and understand that there's nothing new because it's already provision if we improve the inadequacy and improve the dropout, we will have an upside to the future. Otherwise, the PDD is already correct. So regarding the perspectives for DL, considering the regulation, it's difficult to predict, but we can have some ideas considering 2 important aspects. One that in the beginning -- in May, when it was disclosed, how much of restriction of courses that were DL and now are semi-presential and how it could restrict the movement of the student, I mean, going from DL to on-site. So this is the first doubt. We are seeing that, yes, there is quite a positive migration effect in the first weeks, we are in the beginning of the cycle. But in the first weeks where the nursing courses are not available in DL, we don't have the regulation defined. We see quite a strong growth of the courses, especially nursing in on-site. So the first doubt, well, if the fact we don't have cheap DL, the students won't be able to study. Therefore, we won't have so many enrollments. We don't see that. We see a strong growth in the on-site, which is positive from the growth point of view with the pressures on the margin because the on-site courses have lower margin, but the nominal contribution is much greater. The final benefit to the cash generation is quite positive. So this is the first element. The second one that is in the air, and we expect to have more information in the last weeks is how the fast track of approval of the nursing courses will be and how -- from there on, how many units and colleges will offer this course, and we are quite optimistic that MEC will propose a transition rule to allow that those operating -- keep operating. But this is only an expectation. We don't have any official information. Regarding the cost impact, we keep having the same view that we've had since the regulatory framework was launched. And if you know that from the point of view of cost, we understand it's quite not relevant, both in online and semi-presential or DL. So they are prone to repasses in the average ticket of the student. As you can see, we keep repassing inflation. The average ticket is growing for newcomers and old students. So we have the same view, and we don't have elements to say that DL will have a non-manageable impact, let's say.
Operator: The next question comes from Caio Moscardini, sell-side analyst of Santander.
Caio Moscardini: Could you talk a little bit more of Vasta ACV, what we can expect in this new cycle? If the 14% that we saw in '25 is a good proxy? I think it helps a lot. And in Saber, just to confirm if this market share of 30% is regarding a new cycle of the PDA from '26 to '29 that the government has a budget close to BRL 2 billion? And what should we expect in terms of EBITDA for Vasta in the fourth quarter, if we can grow this EBITDA of Saber in '26 comparing year-to-year?
Guilherme Melega: So thank you, Guilherme here. I'll talk about the Vasta ACV. As shown in the presentation, we are having quite a positive track record in the evolution of ACV. We have a CAGR of 17,000, but I can tell you that we'll keep the growth for '26 at a similar level as we had from '24 to '25. So in the mid-double digit of growth.
Roberto Valério: Okay. Thank you, Melega. Regarding your question of Saber, Caio, you are correct. The last purchase of high school government typically makes 1 purchase a year. It can be fund 1 or 2 of the average. In the fourth quarter, we are talking about high school. We've had market shares in schools and teaching systems choosing 30% of all the purchase being with our books from Saber. And we'll have a take rate of 30% of the program compared to a take rate of 22% in '21. So it's 8% more in share. So this is the information. So yes, we do expect to grow our income in this sense. And we know that MEC as FNDE are discussing budget to comply with this purchase. And remember that next year's program is the new high school program. It's different with more disciplines, more content. But your interpretation is correct, basically confirming what you said in your comment.
Caio Moscardini: Okay. And regarding Saber in the fourth quarter, going from '24 to '25, it should grow year-by-year.
Frederico da Cunha Villa: Caio, Fred speaking here. Our point of attention is only seasonality. If you have a displacement from the fourth quarter to the first one, as I mentioned, due to the delays, but EBITDA should be neutral positive because as it is a year of purchase, as Roberto mentioned, I also have expenses with marketing and advertising, which affects a lot of the cost, but due to the growth of 8%, it can be positive.
Operator: The next question is from Samuel Alves, sell-side analyst at BTG Pactual.
Samuel Alves: My first question is about receivables and maybe it's related to the comments before about Pague Fácil because we saw an important increase in receivables after 1 year. So can it be related to Pague Fácil so that I get your idea about the aging? This is the first question. And a second question is having a follow-up on the topic of the PDA. If I'm not mistaken, the company had a certain target of EBITDA to '25 in Saber of about BRL 200 million, BRL 230 million, if I'm not mistaken, but something like that. So you were mentioning this point that Fred mentioned now about the marketing expenses and the cycle of purchase as a challenge. So it caught my attention, the comment of EBITDA being neutral or positive compared to the years in the fourth quarter because it would be above that. So was it my misperception of not understanding your comment considering it was BRL 360 million. I guess the EBITDA last year of BRL 200 million was adjusted. Just to make it more clear about Saber's performance.
Roberto Valério: Well, Samuel, I'll start with Saber and Fred will talk about the aging. It's important to consider that Fred's aspect is that we are not so certain or clear on the income of high school in the fourth quarter. As the orders are delayed, maybe part of this income will decrease in the first week of January. So it's difficult to be content and understand what is the EBITDA in the fourth quarter considering the uncertainty in the displacement of income. We have almost no doubt regarding the effectiveness of the purchase of the government. Therefore, government needs to handle the books to students in February when classes start. So maybe this misperception is a little more regarding the conviction that we have that the fourth quarter specifically will have a neutral positive EBITDA without knowing exactly what is the displacement of the income. So any displacement should be of weeks because the program must be carried out. I don't know if I made myself clear, if you have any doubts, we can discuss more. And I'll then pass on the floor to Fred to talk about aging.
Frederico da Cunha Villa: Samuel, Fred here. About the aging of receivables, you are analyzing the IPR of the company. So I have the growth in the installment programs for Pague Fácil. So I'm growing this potential, but the second effect of growth in the aging above 365 days is not for Pague Fácil. It's the fat effect PP, the program that already finished. And here, we have more than 70% provision. So we have our natural efforts here for charging, nothing different from what we already have, nothing different from previous quarters or years.
Operator: Our question is from Lucas Nagano, sell-side analyst, Morgan Stanley.
Lucas Nagano: We have 2 questions as well. The first one is regarding Pague Fácil. And first of all, I'd like to check some points on the coverage because you mentioned the provision in the beginning is 40% and inadequacy default is converted to 10%. So if it's 47%, is it the same of the PND of the previous year or it varies in the cycle? And the second one is regarding nursing, considering that the government will facilitate the accreditation. How far it could smoothen the effects of the margin? How feasible would be the implementation and offer of professors and the demand available for this level of teaching?
Frederico da Cunha Villa: Lucas, Fred, I'll start with Pague Fácil doubt because our provision uses always the history -- as a criteria, the past history because, as I mentioned, Pague Fácil and PMT are just the commercial trade name. So I need to use the history, and we use it. In the beginning, we provisioned 60%. But as I naturally have returns every month, the index of provision coverage is 47%. So just to make it clear to you, I use the history in the beginning, and I provisioned 60% of the budget. And in the history, it's 47%. You can do the math, okay? Roberto the second question.
Roberto Valério: Okay. Thank you, Fred. Well, Lucas, regarding nursing, your question about the feasibility to carry out on-site nursing and this transition, the feasibility on our site is complete. I would like to emphasize 2 things. One, our nursing costs where we would offer nursing in the post already had on-site hours of 42% with the new rule, it's 70%. So I already have tutors and professors and labs and classrooms and everything. So we would be working in a lower percentage. So going from 42% or 52% to 70% is as simple as increasing the amount of hours of the professors and tutors that we have. This is our reality because we always operate with health care courses with off-site labs. We didn't have practice of offering nursing as you asked. In 100% online model, we always have the labs and so on. So if we have a fast track made by MEC based on the evidence that we already have the lab and all the colors, it would be quite fast this impact and it's fast and the impact basically 0 considering that students are migrating from DL to on-site where we have these offers presentially. So this is my understanding. Obviously, we need to leave to be sure that the scenario is the practice, but I have enough elements to say that, yes, that's it.
Lucas Nagano: And just a quick follow-up, how should it affect the first point of this post.
Roberto Valério: Well, the average price of an on-site nursing course is 30% higher than the semi-presential. This is how the prices were made. And I think that pricing is less related to ability of payment of the students and more related to the level of competition of prices among the many players in the city. If you remove players because they have no labs or professors or so on, the trend is that you can repass the prices and students can pay. So that's why we are seeing a strong growth in the campus even with the on-site being more expensive than semi-presidential or DL.
Operator: The next question is from Eduardo Resende, sell-side analyst, UBS.
Eduardo Resende: I have 2 questions here. The first regarding the migration of DL students to the on-site or hybrid model as you mentioned. And I would like to understand what was the difference in the commercial strategy now to the next cycle that you see this movement. So anything that you had to do differently in the marketing or other fronts that might be helping that. And the second question is regarding Acerta Brasil and Saber. This year and last year, we had this line contributing a lot to the growth. And I'd like to understand if we have space to expand in the next years or if we now raise the bar too low for that? That's my question. Those are my questions.
Roberto Valério: Eduardo now to answer your questions regarding the new commercial strategies to foster the migration from DL to on-site. The answer is no. It's a natural movement on the market. The students had options, and we are talking specifically about the campus. We had the on-site and DL offers as DL is cheaper, we have more demand on DL, but we kept making groups and enrolling students for on-site. We don't have DL. Now they have to enroll for the on-site education. So we keep the levels of enrollment the same, but they simply migrated from a simple line of product to the other one with a higher average ticket, which means a net profit with a greater nominal contribution. As I said, a lower percentage of profit, but with a greater nominal contribution. But directly talking about your question, we have nothing specific. It's a natural movement of the market. And now talking about Acerta Brasil. There's no doubt Acerta Brasil reinforces the learning, especially for Portuguese and math that we deal with the state and Municipal Secretaries of Education. It's a good product. The indicators show that the evolution of the students using this material. And we still have space to grow. Brazil has many states and cities, and we have more than 5,000 cities, and we sell to a small amount of that. So we believe we still have space to grow.
Operator: Next question is from Flavio Yoshida, sell-side analyst, Bank of America.
Flavio Yoshida: My doubt here is regarding Pague Fácil as well. I'd like to understand better the economics of the students in Pague Fácil when we compare to out-of-pocket students and understanding the dropout and the quality of payment of Pague Fácil. And my second question is specifically regarding the technology CapEx. We know that when we consider the 9 months of '25 compared to the previous year, we had an expressive increase of almost 70%. So I would like to understand the drivers here and if we should wait impressive growth in '26 as well?
Roberto Valério: Fred, you start with CapEx.
Frederico da Cunha Villa: Yes, I start with CapEx. Flavio, thank you for your question. Regarding CapEx, technology is a product here. So we have strong investments in technology. We are doing this investment and note that in the 9 months compared to '24 and '23, we also grew, and we are here building this too, that is an academic RP, and we believe nobody has that on the market aside from the investments we are also making to improve the student learning and all the development of AI. And here, this is what we look in terms of product view. What we mentioned before is that we don't understand that in the total CapEx of the company, we are not growing nominally here compared to the year. And for the next years, we believe that the CapEx is simply a see-saw reduced technology and invest more in the field, but it's natural. I cannot say only technology, but the CapEx as a whole should even grow nominally comparing the years.
Roberto Valério: The second question regarding Pague Fácil. Well, Flavio, it is important. I'll try to explain better because the student Pague Fácil is the out-of-pocket students, they pay, they are not funded. We don't fund any student. All of them pay to us every month. We don't fund -- we haven't funded students for a while, and this is Pague Fácil because the first monthly payments that are -- as they understand latest that they pay in installment. So considering January so that you understand, if the student enrolls in December, for example, December '25 to start studying in February '26, when they pay the monthly fee in December, what are they paying? They are paying the January monthly fee. So the second is February, the third day, March, April, so on. So when it is already March and the student comes late, they say, "Hey, but it's not fair. Why do I have to pay January and February if I didn't study. We still didn't have classes, it's already March," and then we say, "Well, in fact, the point is you pay for the semester in 6 installments as it's already March. I am facilitating. That's why it's called Pague Fácil, easily. So you are late. So I let you pay installments January and February. So you choose 46 or 47 installments." So we explain to the students and to make it clear, Pague Fácil historically is a student that is late in paying the installments. They don't want to pay it all the time. So we facilitate by paying the installments. So there is no difference between Pague Fácil and the one that pays. The difference is that we only had this offer of Pague Fácil start in February, March, April, and now we are offering even for December, January for those who were correcting payments. So that's why we increased the penetration of Pague Fácil. So in this case, there is more quality or less quality. We understand they have more quality because if you enroll previously, you are scheduled to that you organize if you are enrolling in January or December, they are more organized and more engaged, probably a better payer. So in our understanding, the fact of allowing the monthly fees in installments wouldn't facilitate the dropout because they are good students. They come before the ones that are late in their enrollment. So it's important to say that all this process to the students is quite clear. They sign a contract acceptance terms, so they can pay the installments that are, let's say, late or they choose how to participate. So obviously, they have to choose the benefit. That's why they have such a big penetration. So that's why we are completely transparent in all questions that we understand this strategy than simply reducing the prices to be competitive commercially. So this is the strategy plan of Pague Fácil.
Operator: The next question is from Renan Prata, sell-side analyst, Citi.
Renan Prata: Quite briefly regarding the results, I think this line that we have 4 semesters with gains. I would like to understand your point of view on this funding. And I don't know what you are thinking for this line and the other, if you can give an update of the trade-off of Vasta because there was some delay regarding SEC, but if you can update us, it will help as well.
Roberto Valério: Renan, the first question of risco sacado. The risk is something that we know we are keeping that. And in this case, it is in Saber and Vasta that is the installment, the funding of our raw material, mainly paper and printing. There is a correlation with the growth of revenue. As I grow the revenue, I need more paper and print the books and so on. So note that I'm growing the revenue in Somos Educação and not Saber, but this strategy is ongoing. So why? Because today, my average cost of debt is CDI plus 1.5% and risco sacado is 2.9%. So what happens is that we are doing that naturally, Renan, because if I simply remove all the risk and put it into a debt, I have no problems in leverage and the debtor risk was always clear in the company. But if I do that, I reduce the operational cash at the moment 0 in BRL 490 million. So naturally, you will see that this line that was correlated to the revenue will be a line that will reduce quarter-by-quarter until we understand that we do not have to consider the debtor risk is the main reason is the average cost of the debtor risk regarding our debt. First question. The second one regarding the trader offer of Vasta, it's public. So I won't say anything different. So we are just waiting for the American SEC that is the Brazilian CGM that is in the shutdown process due to political problems in North America. So we are waiting for the reopening of SEC so that we can have the operational and legal bureaucracy for the operation. We postponed the operation due to the shutdown of the SEC. And until the deadline that is December 9, our expectation in discussions with our legal consultants in North America that SEC will open in November, and this is a data that I'm just repassing what I've heard. There is no commitment in what I'm saying. So the expectation is that until 9 we can have more elements in this operation to close everything.
Operator: The Q&A session is over. So we will now pass on the floor to Mr. Roberto Valério to his final considerations.
Roberto Valério: Well, I thank you all for your participation. I'd like to reinforce my thanks to everyone of the 26,000 workers that are working nonstop so that we can reach the results and get better to our clients and students. Thank you very much. And we are still available with our team to clear any doubts necessary. Thank you very much, and we see you in the next quarter.
Operator: The results conference regarding the third quarter of '25 of Cogna Educação is over. The Department of Relation with Investor is available to clear any doubts you might have. Thank you very much to the participants, and have a nice afternoon. [Statements in English on this transcript were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]