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Andrew Livingston: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Howden's 2025 Results Presentation. So I'll begin by introducing our performance for the year. Jackie Callaway, our CFO, will then review our financial results for the period. And then I'll share my perspectives on our 2025 performance and our plans for this year and then we'll take your questions. The business advanced on all fronts in as we anticipated a challenging U.K. marketplace. The results were at the top end of our expectations and we've made an encouraging start to 2026. Group sales were up 4% year-on-year, with the business continuing to perform well in the final two periods of the year. In the U.K., we gained kitchen market share, which helped us mitigate a small single-digit decline in the overall market size. Our kitchen volumes rose which helped us consolidate the significant market share gains that we've made over the past 5 years or so with our longest established depots making a substantial contribution to the share gains that we've made over this period. We delivered an industry-leading gross margin with gross profit up on last year, and we balanced recovery of cost rises with our commitment to providing competitive pricing for our customers. Reported profit was 5% ahead of last year, increasing at a higher rate than sales. We progressed our strategic initiatives for the U.K. and total sales of our international operations increased significantly. At the year-end, we had a total of 970 depots trading, including 891 in the U.K. The business delivered strong operating cash flow, and we maintained a robust balance sheet. This gives us flexibility to continue to invest in our growth plans for the business and provide shareholders with an increased total dividend for the year. For 2026, we've also announced today a new GBP 100 million share buyback program. Our full year results demonstrate the strength of our local trade-only, in-stock model, a strong product lineup, high stock availability, industry-leading service levels and a very engaged team have all contributed to our performance which benefits from the ongoing investments in our strategic initiatives. In the U.K., the number of customer accounts as at the year-end and the number of accounts trading during the year were similar to last year's record levels with customers and average spending more. So far this year, our performance has been in line with our expectations. And whilst it's early in the year, we are on track to meet current market expectations for 2026, what remains a competitive marketplace. For 2026, our planning assumptions that the overall size of the kitchen market will be about level year-on-year following several years of decline. We are well prepared for the challenges and opportunities ahead with our customers who are typically self-employed. People are highly adept at winning business in all market conditions. And delivered by our highly entrepreneurial and well-incentivized depot teams, I believe, are service-orientated, trade-only, in-stock local model is the right one to deliver sustainable market share gains. Our model is hard to replicate, difficult to compete with, and we have initiatives in place to make it even more so. In 2025, we believe the value of our principal U.K. markets totaled some GBP 11 billion. versus our U.K. sales of GBP 2.3 billion, which also includes the contribution from our fitted bedroom initiative, bedrooms being a significant market in its own right. Our markets remain relatively unconsolidated and there are significant long-term opportunities for us. We will invest in the business on this basis. So I'm going to update you on our strategic initiatives, which are key to our longer-term development of the business after Jackie takes you through our financial results for the year. So Jackie, thank you.
Jacqueline Callaway: Thanks, Andrew, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to present Howden's financial results for 2025, and I'll begin by summarizing the key highlights. The business performed well against all financial metrics in a challenging marketplace. In the second half, we continued the positive trading momentum achieved in the first half and following our last trading update, the business continued to perform well in the final two periods of the year. Group sales increased by 4.1% to GBP 2.4 billion. Gross margin was 110 basis points ahead of last year. We benefited from the price increase implemented at the start of the year and from effectively managing price and volume as we continue to take market share. We maintained our focus on productivity and delivered further sourcing and manufacturing efficiencies in the year. Operating expenses were tightly controlled, and we delivered an EBIT margin of 14.7% with profit growth ahead of sales while continuing to invest in our strategic initiatives. Profit before tax is up 5.1% to GBP 345 million. The effective tax rate was 22.4%, down from 24% in 2024 as we refined the patent box claim. And finally, we delivered an EPS growth of 8%, and this reflected the profit growth achieved in the year, a lower tax rate and the lower share count as a result of the share buyback program. Now let's look at sales growth in a bit more detail. In challenging market conditions, we maintained a disciplined approach to pricing and volume through delivery of a differentiated business model by a highly entrepreneurial depot teams, we also gained share in a market we estimate fell by around 3%. Overall, U.K. revenue increased by 3.8% to GBP 2.3 billion, was up 2.6% on a same depot basis. The price increase implemented at the start of the year had an impact of around 2%. And our international depots, revenue was EUR 99 million, 12% ahead of 2024 and 9% higher on a same depot basis. In France, the new senior leadership team focused on strengthening depot capabilities. Our Irish depots have traded well since we entered the market 3 years ago, and we expect to expand the footprint further this year. Andrew will talk through these initiatives in more detail shortly. Now turning to profit before tax. Starting from profit before tax of GBP 328 million in 2024. Gross profit was GBP 84 million higher. The price increase delivered a GBP 41 million benefit with volumes and mix contributing GBP 29 million and sourcing and manufacturing benefits a further GBP 14 million. Kitchen volumes increased, and we grew our share of sales in each of the three price bands we follow as we continue to invest in new kitchens and associated kitchen products. We believe there are significant longer-term growth opportunities across all three price bands. Our in-house manufacturing and strategic sourcing capabilities remain a key competitive advantage for us. We are progressing plans to develop the Runcorn site, which will increase capacity there by around 1 million rigid cabinets, supporting our longer-term ambition for the business while preserving the low-cost manufacturing advantage. Total operating cost increases were held to GBP 68 million, balancing tight cost control with investment in our strategic initiatives. This disciplined approach supported an increase in EBIT margin and a profit before tax of GBP 345 million for the year. Now let's look at operating costs in a bit more detail. Ongoing investment in our strategic initiatives was GBP 28 million in the year. This included the incremental costs of the new U.K. depots, which totaled GBP 12 million and included the cost of the 52 depots opened this year and in the prior year. We invested a further GBP 13 million in other strategic initiatives, predominantly digital. We invested in our international businesses, for example, by expanding our presence in the Republic of Ireland. And our existing U.K. depots, additional costs of GBP 11 million related predominantly to volume increases, we also incurred GBP 11 million of additional labor costs arising from the government's changes to the employees, national insurance and the minimum wage, which came into effect last April. And other costs, this mainly related to variable pay and incentives, which were higher this year given the strong trading performance and the actions we are taking to optimize the depot network in France. I would also highlight that we offset around GBP 27 million of inflationary cost increases with productivity and efficiency actions taken in the year. In 2026, we expect continuing inflationary headwinds of around GBP 30 million in the total cost base, in areas such as commodities, labor and additional property costs. And as in previous years, we will offset these where practicable with further productivity and efficiency savings. We will also continue to invest in our strategic initiatives to fund future growth, and Andrew will take you through our plans for 2026, shortly. Next, our cash flow. Cash generation was strong, and we ended the year with GBP 345 million of cash. In total, we invested around GBP 26 million in working capital in the year to support our growth. Capital expenditure for the year totaled GBP 125 million as planned before the GBP 31 million for the purchase of the Runcorn site. Our normalized CapEx spend will continue to be around GBP 125 million a year and aside from maintenance CapEx, which is around GBP 30 million a year, within this total, there are three major investment categories that we are prioritizing to support our growth. First, manufacturing. We continue to make investments in our U.K. manufacturing base to enhance productivity and increase capacity and broaden our capabilities. Second, depot reformats and openings. Our updated format provides the best environment to do business with our trade customers, and we continue to see attractive investment returns when we convert a depot. And finally, digital, we will continue to support our trade customers for upgrades to our digital capabilities to make them more productive and to raise brand awareness. We are also using technology to support new services and ways to trade while delivering productivity benefits to the depots. Moving on to cash tax. We benefited from the prior year tax credit arising from our patent box claim. And looking forward into 2026, we expect cash tax to be around GBP 60 million, with an effective tax rate of around 23% to 24%. And finally, you can see that in the year, we returned over GBP 216 million to shareholders through ordinary dividends and share buybacks, and we'd expect to have a similar approach in 2026. Moving on to the pension scheme. Over the last 9 months, we have worked with the trustees to review the strategy of the defined pension scheme. The scheme is well funded with a surplus on an ongoing funding basis, meaning that, no contributions are currently payable by the company. The current funding arrangement is in place to the end of May 2027, while we undertake the next triannual valuation, which is due at the 31st of March this year. We are now actively engaging with the trustee to manage and reduce pension risk over time through a collaborative joint working party framework. This will look to reduce and manage pension risk proactively in areas such as investment strategy, data and benefits and scheme funding. Howdens is a strongly cash-generative business, and we have a robust balance sheet, which gives us the opportunity to invest in future growth as well as rewarding shareholders with attractive cash returns over a long period of time. In total, we have generated GBP 3.8 billion in operating cash flows in the last 10 years. We've invested over GBP 900 million in the business. This high returning capital investment has been across both strategic organic growth initiatives and bolt-on opportunities like the investment in the solid work surfaces business 3 years ago, alongside our maintenance CapEx programs. Howdens remains disciplined in the returns we achieved from our capital allocation and investment. This discipline is unchanged over many years and has driven our overall return on capital employed which in 2025 is a healthy 25% -- sorry, 23%, well ahead of our cost of capital. Over the same time frame, we've returned over GBP 1.5 billion to shareholders in dividends and buybacks. In 2025, we grew earnings per share by 8% as a result of our earnings growth, a lower tax rate and the buyback we completed in the year. Now moving on to capital allocation. Our capital allocation policy is unchanged with the principles set out on the slide. We continue to operate within our clear capital allocation framework. And for several years, we have operated with a policy where year-end surplus cash defined as amounts in excess of GBP 250 million is returned to shareholders. This is unchanged and appropriate for Howdens despite the significant growth in the business over time. This still provides sufficient headroom to accommodate our seasonal working capital requirements, support CapEx into organic growth and ongoing investment into our strategic initiatives and opportunities whilst maintaining our strong balance sheet. We also recognize the importance of the dividend and dividend growth to shareholders. The Board is recommending a final dividend for 2025 of 16.9p an increase of 3.7% and resulting in a total dividend of 21.9p per ordinary share. And the final dividend will be paid on the 22nd of May 2026. Taking all of this into consideration and reflecting the group's continued strong financial position, the Board is also announcing today a new GBP 100 million share buyback program for 2026. So to summarize, we have performed well this year in a challenging marketplace. Our trade model is different -- differentiated, and our strategy is well defined, and we are executing well. For 2026, our planning assumption is that the overall size of the U.K. kitchen market will be level year-on-year after several years of decline. We continue to be proactive in delivering productivity and efficiency savings to deliver profit growth and offset inflationary headwinds. Our robust balance sheet and cash generation support our continued investment in the business. And we remain confident of delivering growth ahead of our markets while generating strong cash flow and attractive returns for shareholders. While it's early in the new financial year, we're on track to meet current market expectations for 2026 and what remains a competitive market. Thank you, and I'll now hand back to Andrew.
Andrew Livingston: Thank you, Jackie. As I mentioned earlier, we believe that our markets give us significant long-term growth opportunities. Our strategic initiatives are key to capitalizing on these. And I'm going to use those as a framework to review our 2025 performance and our plans for this year. They are based around our key -- the key features of our business model, such as industry-leading levels of service and convenience, trade value, product leadership, but they're all delivered by highly entrepreneurial teams who, in turn, build long-term relationships with local tradespeople. So our initiatives are to evolve our depot network, to improve our range in supply management, to develop our digital capabilities and services and to expand our international operations. So first, depot evolution. And high service levels, including local proximity and immediate availability are very important to our customers. And we continue to see profitable opportunities to open up depots. Overall, we have a line of sight to around 1,000 depots in the U.K. In 2025, we opened up 23 U.K. depots, including 18 in the two final periods with a total of 891 trading at the year-end. This year, we expect to open around 25 more depots, and we continue to take a highly disciplined approach to the location of our depots. Our updated format enables us to provide the best working environment for our depot teams and to make productivity and space utilization gains in a cost-effective way. We will now show you a short video that takes you around our Stockport depot, which we opened last year, and whose layout is very typical of the latest situations of our formats. The kitchen displays show most of our kitchen families, including paint-to-order options and solid surface. Our trade counter stocks many of our everyday products and provides a chance for a chat and a brew. Our open plan business area makes it easy for our trade customers to easily access advice from our teams. We have space for our designers to plan kitchens for trade customers and a full wall of our kitchen collection known in our depots as the Wall of Fame. And we have a new selection area for customers to view our kitchen door and work top combinations, including our solid surface proposition. And our presentation rooms are private and have high-definition screens to bring to life customers' kitchen choices in 3D. Our sales conversions here are extremely high. Our restructured warehousing and racking is a vital Howdens USP and enables us to serve the trade with stock reliably and often instantly. The updated format has strengthened our competitive proposition and our program to convert older depots to this format is well advanced. Last year, we completed a further 60 revamps, including nine relocations, taking the total so completed to 410. These principally comprise conversions of our larger and longest established depos. Now this year, including relocations, we plan to convert another 45 depots. And by the end of this year, we'll have revamped around 68% of all depots, which opened in the old format, and we'll have around 77% of all U.K. depots trading in the updated one. As I mentioned earlier, the latest iteration of the format has a separate area for customers to view kitchens, doors and worktop combinations. And over the next 2 years or so, we will also be making the minor layered modifications necessary to include this area in the depots that were prior to the 2025 refits. Next, range and supply management. Investment in service, product and availability helps us develop long-term customer relationships and build competitive advantage. Sales of new products are a significant contributor to our performance. Sales of product introduced in 2025 and the prior 2 calendar years represent around 29% of U.K. product sales, with product launch in 2023 being the largest contributor. Value for money is a constant feature of our purchaser's buying decisions, and we are committed to providing our customers with market-leading, easy-to-fit and fairly priced product. And given pressures on high sale budgets, price featured predominantly in 2025, and we expected to do so again this year. With an emphasis on value for money and choice at all price points, our offering is well positioned to take advantage of this. Our kitchen NPI for 2026 makes more colors, styles and finishes available to more budgets, including at entry and mid-level price points. We are innovating in other long-established product categories and adding more colors and styles to our fitted bedroom offering launched 2 years ago. As we continue to invest in product innovation to capitalize on the significant growth opportunities we have, efficient management of our kitchen range is crucial to balancing customer choice and availability with our profitability. Our rigid kitchen platform is shared across all our families, which helps us introduce new kitchen options at more price points cost effectively. And our stock management and replenishment enhancements, including our XDC network, enabled us to provide best availability on a broader offering at a lower cost. More efficient new product testing enables us to bring more proven new styles to market more quickly. Our increased presence in the premium end market, which is where range innovations are usually made is also forming -- informing and accelerating our ranging decisions at other price points. Excluding paint-to-order, we have 24 new kitchens confirmed for 2026 as compared to 23 last year and 11 in the prior year. We will enter the second half with our entire offering of such kitchens organized into 11 families with a similar total count to last year. In 2025, sales of our entry-level and mid-level kitchen families represented, respectively, the highest number of kitchens we sold and the most kitchen sales by value. Last year, we brought to market 13 new kitchens for our established entry and mid-level families and launched Frome in four colors, a new family whose styling updated that of our long-standing Chelford family. This year, we have 15 new kitchens for these families. For our entry-level families are Heartland -- our traditional Heartland, we have five new kitchens in colors, which are popular elsewhere in our offering, including Greenwich, and Witney in porcelain and Allendale, shown there in Reed Green. At mid-level, we have discontinued Chelford, and we will add six colors to our most modern and shaker range Frome, including Mist and Pebble. Elsewhere, we've introduced some more emerging colors and finishes to our best-performing mid-level families, including Clerkenwell in Super Matt Mist and Halesworth in Ash Green. We've upscaled our higher-priced kitchen portfolios in recent years, utilizing Howden's scale, supply and manufacturing capabilities to offer the bespoke look most associated with high street independents at competitive pricing. Our offering now comprises four families including three shaker-style Timber families, which are closely marketed as Classic Timber Kitchens. In 2025, our Classic Timber Kitchen families performed particularly well with the paint-to-order options growing in popularity. The number of our Chilcomb and Elmbridge kitchen sold and paint-to-order colors, which are priced at the premium to stocked colors increased significantly in 2025. This year, we are refreshing our paint-to-order pallet with four new colors with two of the leading paint colors becoming Chilcomb and Elmbridge stocked colors. Last year, we extended the reach of our timber offering with the launch of a new family called Ilfracombe, an in-framed timber kitchen of classic design. Precision above Chilcomb and Elmbridge families, Ilfracombe is exclusively available in 24 paint-to-order colors. Solid surface worktops, which are often but not exclusively associated with the sale of higher-priced kitchens continue to represent significant opportunities for the group. In recent years, we have increased the number of decors we offer in this service. And for this year, we've introduced clearer and simpler ranging and more delineated pricing to demonstrate the value we offer at all price points. Ahead of peak trading later this year, our total offering will comprise a similar number of options to last year with increased space available to display worktops in more of our depots. We continue to upgrade our offering in other categories, including our own category, specifically own label brands, which complement the third-party branding product we sell. So our Lamona branding is one of the leading integrated appliance brands in the U.K. And for this year, we have a major refresh of our brands offering. We've modified the design, lowered the prices of a suite of high-volume products without compromising these products functionality. Elsewhere, we've updated the design and specification of a number of high-priced products, including washing machines, fridge, freezers and cookers. Launched in 2023, our own label flooring brand, Oake & Gray now represents a substantial portion of the category sales, having introduced water-resistant laminates last year. New product for this year includes sustainably sourced engineered wood flooring with market-leading standing water resistance. In Ironmongery, we launched our own label called Fuller & Forge. Fuller & Forge product has landed well and has significantly improved this offering in our category. For this year, we have new finishes and new designs, and we'll be adding new subcategories. As well as being substantial businesses, Doors and Joinery remain a key footfall building product for us in our depots. Last year, we launched our more colors and bolder styles at all price points to our door lineup. A new product this year includes a new premium range of Howden branded solid engineered doors. In Joinery, we will continue to develop the subcategory extensions into wall paneling, stair parts and lost spaces that we initiated in 2025. Fitted bedrooms were well ahead of the previous year. Bedrooms represent a growing source of incremental sales and profit and help us foster customer relationships. Installing fitted bedroom suits the skills of our customers who fit kitchens. And last year, a substantial portion of our total bedroom sales represented purchases either by new customers or by customers who bought from us relatively infrequently. We developed our bedroom ranges in house, utilizing our existing design and supply infrastructure, and they have a high cabinetry content, which, of course, matches our manufacturing capabilities. In 2025 -- our 2025 offering comprised bedrooms in five leading family designs drawn from our kitchen portfolio, including new family Clerkenwell launched during the year. This year, we will continue to target entry and mid price points with five new bedrooms, including new colors for Bridgemere and Halesworth. Our product offering is underpinned by our dedicated sourcing operations, which manufacture or source the right product in complex categories and distribute it efficiently across our depot network. Howdens is an in-stock business and the trade tell us that high levels of stock availability is one of the key reasons that they buy from us. The investment in our XDC network, which enables us to offer next day delivery service and other recent initiatives, including Daily Traders facilitate exceptional levels of service to our depots. In 2025, deliveries totaled some 73 million pieces, and our service level from primary to our depots was at 99.98%. Now that is a world-class performance by any standard. Our in-house manufacturing capability has a source of competitive advantage for us. And we always keep under review what we believe is best to make or buy by balancing cost and overall supply chain availability, resilience and flexibility. Recent investments in manufacturing have strengthened our competitive position by increasing our manufacturing capacity and by adding broader and new capabilities. So our Runcorn factory with its high volume, low-cost making capability has always been an integral part of our manufacturing and logistics strategy. With planning permissions in place, our development program for Runcorn site is now underway. And at the end of last year, we also acquired the freehold of this site. We expect the works will take about 3 years to complete in line with our long-term ambitions for the business. And the program will give us at Runcorn more capacity, more flexibility and broader capabilities to deliver lower cost of goods sold than might otherwise have been the case. Now turning to our digital platform, and we use digital to reinforce our model of strong local relationships between our depots and their customers. And we do this by raising brand awareness to support the business model with new services and ways to trade with us and to deliver productivity benefits and more leads into our depots and into our depot teams. Usage of our online account facilities, which provide efficient -- which provide efficiencies and benefits for our customers and depots alike has continued to increase. New registrations have totaled some 59,000, around 61% of our customers had an online account at the year-end. Total users viewing our trade platform has increased by 45%, with around 80% of users regularly looking at their individual and confidential pricing. Customers with online accounts have on average continue to trade more frequently and spend more than non-users. We generated high levels of engagement with our web platform and grew our social media presence, which also stimulates interest in viewing our products and services online. Total visits totaled some -- site visits totaled some 24 million in the year. Amongst kitchen specialist, we continue to have the highest number of fitted kitchen site visits in the U.K. The time spent viewing pages and the number of sessions were consistently at high levels. Across the leading social media channels, our follower base at around 720,000 was up 18%, and with around 6.8 million engagements in a month. Usage of our upgraded Click & Collect service for everyday products increased and the new depot account management tool introduced last year is helping depots manage their customer relationships more efficiently and more productively. We have also recently introduced a new depot pricing and margin tool, which we call PAM, and its now operational in all our U.K. depots. We designed this in-house and PAM makes depot price management easier and more effective. It provides comprehensive data for depots to make more informed pricing decisions with a higher degree of confidence and enables depots to access quickly and see the impact that it has on their margin. Depot feedback has been very positive, and we are seeing both more bespoke local pricing and improvements in depot margins on products, which we incorporate in the system. And finally, international. In 2025, year-on-year sales of our international operations based in France increased at a higher rate than in the previous 2 years. In tough market conditions, the business responded positively to the measures taken to improve existing depot sales performance. We now have in place a highly experienced leadership team adept at depot management and have invested in enhancing offerings of footfall promoting products alongside a number of other initiatives. In 2026, we will continue to build out our depot teams capabilities, particularly account management, and actively manage our depot estate, including by closures and relocations where necessary as we look to build on the progress that we've made there. We are also trialing a more compact version of our format initially at a test depot in Reims in France, to the west of Paris. At around 500 square meters, this version is under half the average size of a current U.K. depot has a lower rental cost and the layout incorporates all the latest U.K. format innovations that you saw in the video earlier. We expect to maintain the aggregate number of depots trading at around the current number as we actively manage our depot estate to optimize its performance. Sales in the Republic of Ireland, we're well ahead of last year, and we will be opening more depots there in 2026. The Irish market suits our differentiated model and one which sets us apart from the competition there. We opened for business in the Republic of Ireland in 2022, and we used a similar depot location strategy to that in France with the local team supported by our U.K. infrastructure and also our digital platform. By the end of 2025, we had 16 depots trading, including nine clustered around Dublin, with three serving Cork. This year, we expect to open around five more depots, which would increase the number trading to 21 by the year-end. So for 2026, we are well planned, including on our strategic initiatives. These are aimed at increasing our market share profitably as day-to-day, we deliver value to customers across all price points and product categories. We have 24 new kitchens in stock well ahead of peak autumn trading plus a very competitively priced paint-to-order kitchen offering. And overall, our lineup in all product categories is the best that we've had in my time at Howdens. We have a program of Rooster promotions in place to keep Howdens at the front of the trades minds together with other price initiatives. We will continue to improve service and availability and increase the range of services and functionality we offer online to the benefit of our depot teams, customers and end users alike. During 2026, we plan to open around 25 depots in the U.K. and refurbish around another 45 existing depots to the updated format. In total, we expect to end the year with around 85 depots trading in the Republic of Ireland, France and Belgium together. So lastly, before we take questions, outlook. So far this year, our performance has been in line with our expectations. And whilst it's early in our financial year, we are on track to meet current market expectations for 2026 in what remains a competitive marketplace. We are planning for the size of the kitchen mark to be level year-on-year following several years of decline, and we are well prepared for challenges and opportunities ahead. We aim to retain a profitable balance between price and volume as we continue to maintain competitive pricing whilst aligning operating costs and working with suppliers to keep product and input costs controlled. We are confident that our business model is the right one to address the opportunities of our markets. And in summary, we're well placed to outperform our competitors again in 2026 as we both continue to invest in our strategic initiatives and return GBP 100 million to shareholders through the new buyback program that we've announced today. So thank you very much for listening to me and to Jackie, and we will now both take your questions.
Allison Sun: Allison Sun, from Bank of America. Congratulations. It's very good results. Two questions from my side. So first is what makes you confident that 2026 overall kitchen market will be flattish instead of another decline? And second is, can you give us a bit more color in terms of the sales rate for P12, P13 last year and year-to-date?
Andrew Livingston: Yes. We do a really incredible job in our business of listening to our depot managers and we highly value our day-to-day trading and the rhythm that we feel out of that comes a lot from our meeting with depot managers. And I go to -- we have 70 regional boards where we have about 90 managers coming to meetings, that happen 70 times a year. I get to 92% of those meetings this year with Austin, who sat with us today. So you feel it. You can see the numbers online. You can feel the rhythm of the business. Last Tuesday, Austin, and I had some of our top managers to dinner in London. They come from different parts of the U.K. and Austin, I wanted to talk about a number of issues in front. All of them are feeling pretty good about the market. They say it's tough. They say it's competitive. There's no doubt, we're out fighting. And the retailers who go out with their false sales in my mind of establishing prices in December and giving you a half-price dishwasher and interest-free and all that nonsense. That's what we're fighting against at the minute, but we are making good progress against it all. And I would say our feeling and our knowledge of the market would lead us to believe that we've got a decent year from a market perspective in us. Things like interest rates moving down and we would, of course, help. Do we feel that on a day-to-day basis? I don't know. But I think a combination of our initiatives, the product that we're landing this year and I have not chosen to show you all the product we've got coming this year because I just feel it's too sensitive now to be sharing in this forum to the market. So what James McKenzie has done and brought to this business is brilliant. We've got so much product coming through in the second half of this year, and it will -- I think it's sensational what's happening. So I think it's a combination of the market is going to be a bit better. We are so well placed to take more of it. Look, the back end of the year was good. There were different days of trading. We tend to trade pretty well towards the back end of the year, because we were the only guys in time with stock on the ground. And if somebody wants to get a job done pre-Christmas, they come to us. And so we have a sort of rhythm in our business where we closed out our accounts. We've done Trade Fest, which was a great success for a new sort of branded proposition of our peak trading, honoring the trades and supporting the trades, great Trade Fest, delivered it all out, closed out the year, get the price increase prepared for, bedded in, in January and then come out fighting in January. And all of that, we would say it's gone very well to plan. So not really going to comment on individual figures. We used to give out periods one and two at these events. And actually, if you look at it, it doesn't give you any indication as to whether the year is going to be good or bad, but we're just saying we're comfortable right now.
Aynsley Lammin: Aynsley Lammin from Investec. Just two for me, please. Maybe just elaborating on the kind of early trade in terms of timing and scale of price rises you expect this year? And within the 2.6% same depot sales last year, how much of that was price? And then secondly, I guess just coming back again a bit more on the market share. You've obviously outperformed the market for, I think you said the market was down 3% last year, do you expect to continue to grow market share as much as you have been over the last couple of years in '26?
Andrew Livingston: Yes. Look, we've probably become more and more sophisticated in our price increases as we've put them in and mentioned the PAM tool, which is mostly outside of kitchens where the depot managers will be flexing more prices as they go through the year, you'll see us do more dynamic prices as more and more customers go online, see their confidential pricing. But we want them to see pricing that our managers are completely comfortable with on a local level, and we've been making progress on that side. On kitchens, we typically go out with the sort of 4%. We hope to retain about 2% of it type of thing, but it's too early to say that we've done that at this point in the year, given the depots are out fighting in the market. So -- but we're pleased with how that's all sort of laying out in terms of the like-for-like for last year. I think you can read a sensible mix between half price, half volume. I think that's what we are pleased about what happened last year. I would continue to say that the market this year will be competitive, there's no doubt. We love the scrap. And our customers are so well placed because they're running their own businesses. And when the market is tough, our customers go out and win the business, there's more at stake for them. And the depots that really perform like the depot managers, that Austin and I had in the room on Tuesday night, they're incredibly close relationships with their customers. It's like here, it is like -- and people say they know their customers in the business. We know our customers and our business. And when I say we know them, they really are very close to their customer base. And one of the depots had 1,600 customers there. One had 800 customers there. The depot with 800 customers happens to be our highest-performing depot in the whole estate. And they don't change and they come back and they're regular and they just spend more and more with them. So I would say the proposition is well placed with what we've got from a sort of a product point of view. We believe interest rates, I think, I say that, I'm not leaning on that as a thing for this year, but this is self-help, and it's the model really working incredibly well with the initiatives and our very strong day-to-day trading. The thing I would add to it also for last year, people and our teams, I think they feel well. Morale in the business is high. And people have had a good taste of making money. And we don't turn up for the dental plan in this business. We turn up to grow profitable volume and I'm excited to see our depots earning well with the opportunity to earn even more in the coming years. They're a formidable bunch.
Christen Hjorth: Christen Hjorth from Deutsche Bank. Two for me. First one, just for Jackie. So your first full year will be in 2026. Just an idea of the sort of areas that you'll be looking to focus on, is relatively new to the business. And the second one, just for Andrew. You point there's a lot more to go for in terms of strategic growth. I mean, how should we think about that? Is that sort of leveraging the investment that you've done to date in XDC and range, et cetera? Or are there more new areas to invest in to drive growth? That's the two.
Andrew Livingston: Do you want me to start?
Jacqueline Callaway: Yes, let me make a start. So look, it's been -- it's 9 months here at Howden's. It's been an absolutely fantastic first 9 months. It's an amazing business. And you don't really know till you get in. Having got in, it's well invested, very well invested. We've invested through what has been a difficult cycle, I think, in the industry. We're well set up for growth going forward. And we've got highly motivation teams to support us. So from a -- is there things that I think I need to come in and massively fix, I think the answer to that is no. Because the business is well placed. There's a few areas that I am focusing on. I think pensions would be a good example of one that we talked about. I think there's some good opportunities around our pension scheme and how we might derisk it. So that would be an area. And I think it's around just within finance is just driving the finance team to be a good business partners to the business and to support what we're doing strategically. Those would probably be my two key areas.
Andrew Livingston: And in answer to your second question, I think one of the things that we've got really right here is actually our strategic plan, which we call raised ambition internally is well understood right up and down the organization. And we tie together our business design with trusted trade relationships right at the center, and we constantly think about product innovation at value and making sure it's really convenient for customers to buy. But then, of course, we're always developing new things. You'll see in our depot format, we're moving on the iterations. I'll never let this get as bad as it was when I sort of turned up. The depots were retired, and I don't think they did represent the right environment for us to do business with our customers. And I remember my first presentation, Geoff Lowery gave me a knock and said, sort of, isn't it about time? And that has been a very, very successful program. We continue to do that and take lessons into France and just think about sizing as well to make them more profitable quickly. From a ranging point of view, there is always more you can do, and we are very keen to stay on the front foot of a high proportion of innovation brought in as a big portion. So we measure it. We're incentivized on it, and the teams are incentivized it from bonus and LTIP point of view. So we do it because it's the right thing. It drives interest for customers. It drives margin accretion. It helps us deal with old stock. So we are obsessive. We spend an extraordinary amount of time on ranging. We're very good at testing it. And I say these things because we're a kitchen and a joinery business. And we think in our heads about joinery driving footfall, joinery being the place where customers start working, they do flooring, they do doors, they do skirting, they do wall paneling and then they start creeping into doing kitchens. And we've got to keep on getting people into doing these trades. And there is a bit of a thing here about AI is going to change jobs and markets and so on. AI is not yet fitting kitchens in my mind. So we are keen on doing a lot of great work about how you build your business. We've got to build a business builder program on in Howdens at the minute where we want to encourage people to go and start their own businesses in this trade space, and you can make a fantastic living out of the fit and out of the product on margin. We feel we're comfortable with the categories. And each one of those categories, we feel we can grow in. So we're only 24% of the kitchen market by value. 75% of the market that we're not having right now, we've got a significant opportunity. And I think we're upsetting our competitors as we progress forward with that. And out there, you've got a number of competitors who are either clearing what they're doing and they're lashing out on price or they're trying to make it work and you've got some people under new ownership. And just chasing down a price rate is not the way to win in this market. I'm also excited about what we're doing digitally and in preparation for the future, and people will think about how they design and plan and do thing -- different things on kitchens in the future. And then I suppose the final part of it is the international piece of the business, and we are making progress in France, and I'm excited about the work that we've been doing on the estate there. And we've got two divisions that are flying. We had 1/3 of the depots that performed incredibly well there last year. Fortunately, we've got a 1/3 that need work. So we adjusted some of them and we're going through manager-by-manager and under SEB's leadership, we will get to a good place. And Ireland, we've gone in. We don't offer trade credit accounts in Ireland interestingly. We just have gone in and done cash. It's not held us back in any way because the proposition is so fresh to the market and where it gets right. So I was explaining to the teams I've been down to Wexford to see the opening of our Wexford depot, right, the most beautiful plum site right in the middle of Wexford, and we will dominate the market. The depot only just opened. It had 150 accounts already opened. It opened three when I was stood there. The manager and the team were exceptional. So we're really making a difference and understanding more and more how this model lands well because we're able to give new depot managers to our business tools and kits that help them run the business a bit more that we may not have been able to do before. So they get daily traders and they get a better stock management system, and they can do livestock. They're supported with online activity. They've got PAM now. They're well supported from an availability point of view. And I think we've become better and better at doing that. And I think overall in the business, we've become strong at sort of pairing up, used to feel like a sort of supply and a trade division that feels very much like one business where we think right up and down. And even in France, Seb sits on the exec, he's part of the team. He -- we've even done a thing where we're twinning depots in France with U.K. depots and the way you sort of towns are twin. We're doing that. So U.K. manager, will work with a French manager plus an interpreter and build a relationship together. So a bit of a long answer, apologies.
Benjamin Pfannes-Varrow: Ben Varrow from RBC. I'll do two as well, please. First one on the market share, in the U.K. Could you provide some more detail on how that's developing at the different price points? And the second question is building on the France topic. What do you need to see there to start accelerating the depot rollout again?
Andrew Livingston: Yes. I think one of the things on the market share and you're right on price points because sometimes you think of families as you go up and down the architecture and what is brilliant about our offering is it all sits on a common carcass platform. So it's a bit like the chassis of a car business, and you can move your way up and down. And if you want to hit your price point by putting a lower-priced door standard carcass and then invest in the solid surface work surface. That might be what you want to do. We've seen growth at all price points. We've seen growth at opening price points all the way through difficult times because we're sort of untouchable down at that bottom end. Many of our kitchens will not even make it into customers' homes, because you'll find them in universities and council houses and whether it's genuine churn. And we brought some innovation at opening price. Mid-price, we've grown. It's been tougher because everybody is at that mid-price thing and some people throw on credit, consumer credit and that type of thing. But we have stayed ahead by innovating and being faster than others to market and bringing things like metallics in into some ranges that might be sort of needing that kind of innovation. And the best end of the market for us has been a combination of just beautifully styled product that I think is better quality than the independents. You'd expect me to have a Howden's kitchen, but it's what I've put in my house, the paint-to-order offering is just beautiful. And with a solid surface, good lighting, walk to any one of the independents around where I live in London, and I'm thinking it ain't as good as what I've put in my home. And I think more and more people are discovering that do I go to an independent and I spend GBP 60,000, GBP 80,000 or do I go to Howden's, I've got a really strong relationship with my builder, and I'm doing it for considerably less. And I think you'll just see us continue to grow in that space of the market, and you'll see us doing work like this that just makes people reassess the brand and people sniff at value. So we've done well at all price points. And we think we wouldn't particularly pull out one over another. We're just pleased with how we're doing. What do we want to see in France? I want to see more consistent delivery across all of the regions and we're very clear with that. More depots in profit. And we've got and had to put some fixed cost in France that will only be covered when the depots gets to -- the depot estate gets to a certain level of turnover. But we're pleased with how it's progressing. And we've made some choices about depots that perhaps we opened too quickly post-COVID, when we were growing very, very fast. And we got all our eyes with attention on this new smaller format that we're doing there. But I'm very pleased with the team and the level of energy in that business is fantastic. Jackie and I went over to do their year-end celebration, and it was electric. Yes.
Shane Carberry: Shane Carberry from Goodbody. Just two for me. Firstly, you've mentioned a couple of times the competitive markets. Could you just expand on that a little bit more? Is it the pricing point that you made earlier? Or is there some kind of shift in industry dynamics we should be aware of? And then second, just kind of a longer-term one. When I think about this business in kind of 5 years' time and I think about the mix of products obviously doing a lot more in the bedrooms, doors, other joinery components. How big a portion of the pie could that be going forward?
Andrew Livingston: Yes. I think when we say competitive market, we think about -- I suppose we think about price and we think about availability of product and we think about product innovation. And if I split it down like that and I think about product innovation, nobody is anywhere near us from a product point of view. And I think 8 years ago, when I turned up in the business, I think people were ahead of us. And what we've done with innovation and find the gap and testing products and bringing more products to market, we're leading. We're not following at all. And with that and with our availability, the combination of those two, it's very, very tough combination to fight against. But of course, if you've got people trying to get any kind of volume to put over their fixed costs, they're going to come out fighting on. January is the time. It's a very, very difficult period for a retailer. They don't have a bit of success in January. It's a long, long journey up until the summer for them. So I say competitive in that context. But when we think of our depot managers, Austin's language is no kitchen left behind. And we're very, very clear about that. I think if you think forward to this business, we're pretty good at sticking to our knitting. And we're pretty good at realizing the customer first and in our case, trade customer, trade customer all the way. And the stronger you are with your trade relationships, the stronger the business will become. They do well, we do well, and we appreciate entrepreneurialism deeply. We appreciate it in the depots, and we appreciate it amongst our supply base as well, those who come first to market. We -- James has got a suppliers conference in about a month, and that will be a big topic for all of us to talk about. So I think the business will always be kitchen-centric, kitchen dominant. And I think you'll see innovation and new ways of shopping online and AI and scanning the room with your phone to help develop plans. But we see these as opportunities to help our design consultants or help customers get an image of where they want to go to, but we think it's important that we keep going with our business model.
Charlie Campbell: Charlie Campbell at Stifel. I've got sort of two. The first one was on the efficiency gains. So sort of GBP 41 million in the year, GBP 14 million of that is from suppliers. Just does that not get harder and harder as the more to get out of that bucket? The GBP 27 million from kind of manufacturing efficiency, does that get more difficult as you're moving towards the new Runcorn? And then the other question, just want to detail really, there's a GBP 6 million sort of exceptional around France, is that the end of that? Or does that kind of run on for a bit more as you further kind of arrange the branches?
Jacqueline Callaway: So let me take the -- both of those. The efficiency gains, we've had a good result last year, to say GBP 14 million and cost of goods sold and GBP 27 million in OpEX. I think as we go into the budget, we see that there were inflationary headwinds coming again this year. We've guided that at around GBP 30 million, and it's across a number of areas, a little bit of timber inflation, a little bit of -- we see people inflation and also some property inflation, particularly around London rents. We will always look to offset inflation with efficiency projects. And I think one of the things that positive with Howden's has got a very strong muscle in this space. And it's one that we already have a track on the costs, and we already have all the projects that -- a lot of the projects identified. So I feel confident that we can make a good dent in the inflationary amount again this year. And it's across multiple projects. I look to Julian here. So across manufacturing, it will be things like waste reduction, more efficient use of labor, good examples across logistics, it could be thinking about how we can optimize deliveries out to depots. It's another area that's a big project for this year. So I think we've got good confidence that we'll certainly dent a lot of that inflationary pressure this year. And then on the cost for the French depots that we were looking to close over the next 2 years. It's a GBP 6 million charge in OpEx, and we don't see any further any further amount coming through at this point.
Ami Galla: Ami Galla from Citi. A couple of questions from me. The first one was just understanding the bundles that typically a customer takes in. Can you talk about some of the attachment rates of flooring currently? And is this scope to penetrate that further? The second question was on the pricing model that you are talking about today. What sort of information do you think does the depot manager now have it handy, which you previously did not have? I mean, just understanding more in detail as to what is different today with the model that we have in place? And the last question was just on the maturity of the existing network in the U.K. Often, you've talked about the potential of the younger branches to kind of come up to the mature level. Can you give us the range as we sit here today of what the mature U.K. depot looks like? And where is the opportunity as we think over the next couple of years?
Andrew Livingston: Yes. I'm sort of rethinking what maturity is for our business. Because when I wrapped up here, people said, they all mature in 7 years, then we thought of all these initiatives that we've brought into the business, like solid work servicing better kitchens, you grow your account base, we've been more efficient in the warehouse. I was telling Matthew Ingle about our best depot there last year and where it had got to, and he nearly fell off his chair because it was about twice the level that he's seen before. And he offered the manager, if he hits his number here of GBP 10 million this year, he's offering a case of champagne, which he is very thoughtful about. So I think we've just got such a long way to go even at our first depot hitting a big milestone like that. And so I don't know where the top end of maturity is. We've got a lot of work. If you think of the range between sort of GBP 10 million down to a depot at GBP 1 million, you've got a wide range there. And a lot of it's down to the capabilities of the manager and making sure the manager is empowered to develop the local relationships. Of course, there's area and all the rest, but one of our depots we talk a bit about in Great Yarmouth is a very big job in our peak trading period. It's his sort of thing that he does each year. Half of his catchment in the sea, but he's the biggest depot. So I would say we've just got really significant opportunity. And even when this business runs out of space and depots and we hit the 1,000, we will still grow and the like-for-like will still grow because we see so many opportunities in that. Your question about the pricing model is a good one, because our range count has grown, given XDC -- and we put in XDC to make sure that product is available, and we've become very clear with Richie's leadership from supply chain about what's right to hold in stock in a depot and what's right not to hold in stock in a depot, because it might have high value, it might create a long discontinued problem later on. So we've -- our shape of our stock in our depot is brilliant. And we gave the depots tools to develop that, and we call the system TED. Those of you who have been around some of our visits and depots, we often demonstrate it. And then through meetings that I've taken with some of our managers, some of the managers then said, well, can we not use the same sort of thinking where we can look by SKU, balance it out and bring the same thinking into pricing, and we went back and built PAM. And what it gives our depot managers is understanding of where their price volume mix per SKU, per range, sort it all out and they can see where they're at versus their region. And then we feed in local pricing data. And it gives them real confidence that they're not only too cheap on some stuff or they're not too expensive on some stuff. When we've got promotions going in that we do from a group from a sort of Rooster point of view, they can press a button and accept them. They're going to override them and not do it. All of this is to empower our depot managers not take power away from them because it's our managers operating locally. But it's using tech to make sure they're better enabled to make the right pricing decisions for customers and confidence levels go up with it as well. Hopefully, that explains that. You did ask about flooring and attachment rates. We've got loads of room. We're only fourth in the U.K. on flooring. We're #1 in kitchens. We're #1 in doors. We've done some great work on own brand and own ranges. It's a priority for Austin to sell more flooring this year. Our attachment rate is not bad with kitchens, but there's lots more to do.
Geoff Lowery: Geoff Lowery, Rothschild & Co Redburn. A question really around your supply business. If you had to rank what it really does for you across those buckets of product exclusivity, flexibility, resilience, sheer cost advantage, what would that ranking really look like? And I guess the second question is you've obviously invested considerable amounts in that back-end infrastructure and transformed this in a wonderfully positive way. But we haven't really seen it at this scale, at this efficiency in an upmarket. So in a theoretical scenario where your volumes were plus 20%, say, would we see a meaningful leverage of a fixed cost component there? Different issue what you did with it, but the maths of that, would it be a kicker on your margin?
Andrew Livingston: Yes. I think when I was looking at from Howdens from the outside, and I was running Screwfix at the time I was going around all the U.K. depots, I remember in the conversation with the guy that I taken over running Screwfix from and he said, businesses often have strengths. And it's clear to me that Howden's strength is in its manufacturing capability because you've got some incredible front-end implementation in the depots. But the strength -- I think the big strength of this model is our vertical integration, our supply, our exclusivity, the cost advantage it gives us, our nimbleness around us, our ability to keep raw materials untouched and then flex in. We do things that I have never seen other businesses be able to do because of our agility. And that's at scale on big product, but also when we go and do a testing, a small testing thing, we've got -- James has got in his capabilities, a small batch production unit. And the amount of work that batch production unit does for us around building out extra doors, flexing up and flexing down, making small batches that we can go and test in markets. It gives us an agility of [ Azara. ] And I think there is -- it gives us fundamental lower cost base where we can take higher margins in the market. If -- I think we probably demonstrated our strength when we came out of COVID and we were able to flex up so quickly, and we hardly missed a beat. I mean, our service levels weren't at 99.98%, but they weren't very far off even though volumes dramatically lifted. And you saw the business started making 20% on sales. So it's a cash machine when you push volume through it. I mean, there isn't anybody who could manufacture this level of volume for us and need another 1 million cabinets, hence, the investment in Runcorn. But I suppose we think about panel manufacturing where we're making -- we're moving beyond raw materials, but we're leaving stuff as work in progress. And then we build those items up to deliver to customers through our peak trading period. But I think it's absolutely fundamental and it's incredibly hard to replicate what we've done. And I just sort of add just a wee bit of color to it. We -- I went to our Runcorn Christmas party and took my wife, which was an eye-opener for -- I can tell you. She -- but the feeling of our 1,000 manufacturing personnel at Runcorn at that party because we had purchased the site, made very clear what our plans were that this is a big future, and I stood up in front of them and said, you do a fantastic job for us. You make 3 million cabinets. The trouble is, I need another 1 million. And I think they are -- it's very common to meet people in our Runcorn site that have got 20, 30, 40 years' experience working for us. You don't -- you can't just -- one of our suppliers, Egger -- Michael Egger, Senior, who makes most of our chipboard for us. He said to me, Andrew, you can buy the assets, but you can't buy the people. And I think it's that sort of combination of that is very powerful for a business. I don't know if I've answered you well enough, Geoff, but it's fundamental to us.
Zaim Beekawa: Zaim Beekawa, from JPMorgan. The first is on the new product sales. I think you said 29% in recent years, but quite excited about what's to come. So is that a number that you feel will pick up in the coming years? And then secondly, obviously, very strong on the gross profit margin in '25? Can I think about the moving parts into '26, please?
Andrew Livingston: Yes. I sort of feel comfortable that 2025, it will move up and down depending on what we do. I feel comfortable with where we're at. When you bring new range into a business, you've got to make sure people understand it. The depot teams understand it. We do have a big exercise in James' team. We build an expo. Some of you have been up to the expo at the factory, and we've got an expert Runcorn, and we're opening up our first expert, Watford next month worth going and having a look at. And we use these spaces to show off our product offering, and you've got to train it into the team. So there's only so much a business can consume. You don't want to throw too much range in and not land well. And I think our cadence of about 2024 feels pretty good on the kitchens where the majority of the profitability is. You will see us do more on own labels. You'll see us do more innovation on outside kitchen areas. Kitchen is a fashion business. We've got to stay up on the front foot on it. Colors change, styles change very rapidly. I think we were pleased with the margins, but margins, we've got to leave enough room for the managers to flex it. We did well last year. I think Austin incentivized the teams incredibly well last year to deliver margin and volume. We all understand the rules on it, but if the kitchen comes out and it's cheaper, we will always take it, and we will develop the margins on the other side. But we're comfortable with our industry-leading margins. We don't chase the percent. We chase cash. We like cash. And I would say probably more of the same this year would be my guess, yes.
Jacqueline Callaway: So we've got time for one more. Christian, do we?
Priyal Mulji: It's Priyal Woolf here from Jefferies. I've just got two questions on the International division. I appreciate you said that in the U.K., you're rethinking what maturity even means. But can you give us any sense of what maturity time line looks like in France, just in the context that, obviously, you're slowing down on the depot openings, focusing more on getting to profitability there. And then the second one is just a quick one. Obviously, you're expanding in Ireland, you will be again at some point in France, is finding the correct sort of sites, any sort of obstacle yet at this point in time?
Andrew Livingston: I think the quick answer on the second is no. We're always looking at -- we've been able to find the right sort of price location mix and very similar type of setup on trading estates in Ireland. And when we go into these secondary towns, we're getting good value, and we're getting prominent locations. So -- we've said around about 40. I don't know, it might be more, but a business of 40 in Southern Ireland would feel pretty good to us, and we'll be about halfway there by the back of this year, lots of growth to put on it. In France, yes, we were very clear. We're putting the foot in the ball. We're going to get the operations absolutely where they want to be. This year is an important year for the French team. And next year, the one after will be the same, but we want to see that business getting to breakeven in a sensible time frame. And we understand that happens when you push more depots on top to cover the fixed cost, but we want every depot in profitability in France in the near term. There's one question that we have to take because you've tried about 15 times now.
Charlie Campbell: My arm is so tired from going up and down. I've got loads, but I'll keep it to two. Wren has bought Moores, it takes them into the trade bar, the kitchen market. Do you think that changes the way about how they attempt to broaden their addressable market in the U.K. at all? That was the first one. The second one was on the small branch depot formats you're going to start opening in France. Should we be looking to see those pop up in the U.K. anytime soon?
Andrew Livingston: Yes. Yes, I don't -- it's interesting. The Wren business have tried several times to open up a trade business to be like us. Often, they've opened up a specific site, and we get wind of it and we release margin criteria to our depot managers and extinguish any potential flame coming out. On the contracts piece, we like routine, repetitive, repeating sort of maintenance type of businesses that we would sort of consider contract. The housebuilding stuff, we're happy to leave that to somebody else. I don't want large, long production runs that disturb high-margin supply to trade customers. And I think it could distract us. We're very happy to take local, smaller regional house builders if the margin is right for us. But I'm not looking to chase after big house builders. Symphony Group is better at doing that than us, they're better set up to do that than us. And the market is big. I don't know what their plans are, but I don't think it's going to change anything in the near future. Small depots in the U.K., I think we just -- it's more important for us to be in the catchment than not be in the catchment. So sometimes we go in and we will take a site that's a bit bigger or a bit smaller. You'd certainly see us doing a wee bit being a bit -- wee bit more curious in London. And of course, we've got the capabilities to do it. We've become much better at how we merchandise depots, built all that skill, and we're amazing at how we fulfill and supply depots, and we know what to put in the depots. It's the right type of product. So you can cope on smaller spaces. We're just about to open up in the arches at Waterloo, and that would be worth popping down having a wee look there. Limited parking, we think it's going to be a flyer. I think we'll call it quits there, if that's okay. So thanks very much for your time.