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Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, to a conference devoted to talking about the results of the KGHM Group for the third quarter of first 9 months of 2025. We have President, Anna Sobieraj-Kozakiewicz with us; Mr. Zbigniew Bryja, Deputy Manager for Development; Piotr Krzyzewski, Deputy Board President for Industrial; and Mr. Laskowski, Deputy Board President for Investment and Investor Relations Director. The meeting is broadcasted online, and you will be able to send your questions to -- during the conference and afterwards, and all the answers are going to be published either during the conference or afterwards. And now Mr. President, over to you.
Andrzej Szydlo: Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, and apologies to the investors who are watching us from the Western Hemisphere. Apologies for atypical time of the meeting. But due to the tight schedule, we needed to move the time of the conference a little bit back. Due to also the tight schedule I mentioned, I will try to make it very brief today not to get into the competence of further speakers today. So to give you the bird's eye view of our situation, I'll start with an anecdote. But yes, this slide and the trends that we have been seeing for many months about KGHM and influences its results. I think I can jokingly say that maybe LME -- copper prices on LME should be in Polish zloty because what does this slide show us? 5% copper price in terms of USD year-on-year. So 9 months -- first 9 months of 2024. The exchange rate for -- between USD and PLN is minus 4% year-on-year, which gives us the stable results, unchanged results. So the status quo is unchanged. So if the stock market would be in Polish zloty, this chart would be much more predictable. And then average copper price for 9 months were at the level of $9,556 in dollars and PLN 36,257. We see a marked increase in terms of silver price, which is a very important product of KGHM. Let me remind you, we are the second top producer of silver in the world. And here, we have 23% of increase in terms of zloty and 29% of increase in terms of dollars. Of course, that influences our results. However, this increase of copper prices in dollars happened by the end of the reporting period. And strengthening of zloty has been observed throughout 2024. Let me just remind you that at the end of last year, the dollar versus zloty was PLN 4, PLN 4.08, PLN 4.10. Next slide, please. In reference to the previous slide, we see a minus 1% in terms of adjusted EBITDA in KGHM Group. And in KGHM Polska Miedz S.A., we have minus 1%. So almost the same year-on-year, of course. And judging by the fact that the copper prices remained unchanged and in the first half of the year, we had a major renovation in Glogow smelter, so a decreased production year-on-year compared to 2024 by 20,000 tonnes of electrolytic copper. The drop of revenues by 1% can be treated as only 1%. Then adjusted EBITDA of KGHM Polska Miedz plus 5% compared to 2024, and plus 16% in terms of adjusted EBITDA in KGHM Group. And then net profit, a bit of deja vu because the first 6 months -- throughout the first 6 months we had the same results. So it's worse than first 9 months of 2024, both in terms of KGHM Polska Miedz and consolidated. Key production indicators, as I said, 20,000 tonnes of electrolytic copper less. And it is due to planned maintenance on smelter infrastructure in Glogow smelter. So in KGHM Polska Miedz S.A., that was 421,000 compared to 441,000; better results in terms of Sierra Gorda, as you can see, plus 14%, which is almost 8,000 tonnes of copper more in Sierra Gorda. And in KGHM International, a little less than 5,000 tonnes less, which is minus 11%. I think Ms. President will talk about the reasons of decreases in Robinsons mine -- in Robinson mine. So again, I'm not going to precede her part of the presentation. We see a constant trend, about 66%, 67% of payable copper in national, domestic assets comes from own concentrate, KGHM, 1/3 that would be purchased metal, either imported or scrap. This is no surprise. It's a stable level. And we do hope that this stability won't move towards lower production from own concentrate towards purchased metals. And here, we have the production results in terms of other assets. So Sierra Gorda and KGHM International. Silver production slightly higher, plus 1%. TPM production, minus 6%. And molybdenum production markedly higher, plus 95% better efficiency and better molybdenum concentration in Sierra Gorda. And to finish up, what I would like to emphasize, the results are really good, especially the EBITDA. The exchange rate differences affect the net result. And we are very happy that -- with what we've been commenting on for many years -- for many quarters, the cost discipline, because the increase of costs that we had in the previous years, systematic increase due to the cost of work or cost of energy, we have managed to stabilize it. I'm pretty sure that President Krzyzewski will talk about it. There is no increase, even decrease of C1 cost in foreign assets, international assets, domestic assets, the increase of C1 cost is minimal. And if we look at C1 without the tax, we even are dealing with a decrease. Okay. Now Professor Laskowski.
Miroslaw Laskowski: Yes, let me give you a bit of details in production. In terms of production results in all the segments, ore extraction, production of copper and concentrate, production of electrolytic copper and metallic silver production, we are within or even above the budget. And the Q3 of 2025, is one of the best production quarters compared to other -- previous year's period and compared to the other -- the previous 5 quarters. So metallic silver, as you can see, plus 1.5% year-on-year. And Q3, as I said, of 2025, 330 tonnes, and this is one of the best results across these 5 quarters that we compare it with here. Electrolytic copper, in Q3, we returned to the production level of 149 tonnes. These are the amounts that we got in Q3, Q4 last year. The President Szydlo talked about the maintenance in electro refinery department in Glogow II smelter, this would contribute to the lower production results of the first 2 quarters of 2025. And in terms of production -- in terms of ore extraction, it's similar to 2024, over 23 million tonnes. And Q3, that would be a level of extraction of 6 -- 7.8 million tonnes, the highest in comparable periods. And production of copper in concentrate, it is slightly, but still higher than the compared 2024 year-on-year. So again, 304,000 tonnes, the highest level of production in compared -- with compared periods. These are really good results. And I need to emphasize that we had unfavorable production calendar. 2024 was an off year, and February had 29 days, 1 production day more for KGHM S.A. is 100 tonnes -- 100 more tonnes of extraction, more concentrate, 1,000 copper in concentrate, 1,700 electrolytic copper or 1,000 tonnes of wire copper. So this is one more day only in our production results. So -- and then one more thing about Zelazny Most reservoir. We have safe level of filling it, 6 million cubic meters of water. This is what we mean by safe. To compare in summer last year, when we got to KGHM, the filling of the reservoir of the main and southern part reached dozens of cubic meters. And one more important thing in terms of Zelazny Most, we have obtained all the agreements and permits to the level of 205. So that gives us a couple of -- or more than a dozen years of safe work in KGHM.
Anna Sobieraj-Kozakiewicz: And in terms of production results of international assets, another very good year for that sector in terms of payable copper production. In Sierra Gorda for 55 assets, the level of payable copper production was 64,900 tonnes by -- it's an increase by 14% year-on-year, an increase of the production results. This result is due to the higher grade copper ore as well as higher recovery despite the lower volume of ore produced. Very good results in line with our budget assumptions. It's worth emphasizing that, thanks to the optimization activities, we have stabilized production in Sierra Gorda, and we see more predictability of production, both in terms of copper and molybdenum. In terms of molybdenum production, here, we can boast almost 100% increase of molybdenum production year-on-year. In Q3, that was over 2 million pounds. And so by the end of September, we have 4 million pounds in total. And then molybdenum production starting from May -- end of May, actually, we see a marked increase of that. And this is due to higher concentration of molybdenum in the ore as well as higher recovery despite the lower volume of ore processed. And what we need to emphasize here, molybdenum production in Q3 was one of the highest in the history of Sierra Gorda. In terms of silver and gold production, we see slight decreases, but this is due to lower volume of ore processed. In terms of gold, compared to the budget of this year, we see that we are still higher than our budget expectations, which, thanks to high prices of this metal and good TCRC premiums, contributes to a very good level of C1 below $1 per pound. Next slide, please. When it comes to the production results of KGHM International, the production of payable copper after 9 months is 40,600 of tonnes of payable copper, so a decrease of 11% compared to the reference period, and this is the result of the lower content of copper, lower volume and yield of metal. But here, we need to highlight that we are referencing to the previous year where the results were record high. And this year, the production of ore goes into liberty which has lower parameters of ore. However, we can see that we are within the budget when it comes to the production of copper of 75% of the production. When it comes to the production of the gold in Robinson, we are above the assumptions for the given year. And I was referencing to Robinson mine. Ladies and gentlemen, we can see that the production results of international assets are very good, which transfers to the good financial condition of international units. So at the end of September, we had $240 million, from which $210 million was paid by Sierra Gorda and $30 million KGHM International, and those are payments from guarantees, loans and provision of other services. So I can say that this is a very good year for international assets. Thank you very much.
Zbigniew Bryja: So Professor, right now, when it comes to the advancement of development initiatives, we have similar parameters compared to the previous year for the given period. So when it comes to the development plan, it was 62%. Right now, we have 63%. So we can compare those values at the end of the year. In accordance with the conversations that we had with the departments, we can say that we've completed our tasks when it comes to investments and the execution would be at a similar level. So 96%, which is a very good result. Let me remind you, the investment plan, so PLN 3.800 billion, also the reserve that we will not be touching, will not be moving the assets. When it comes to the distribution divisions, as mentioned during the previous conferences, mining industry when it comes to the development spending is PLN 2.492 billion from which PLN 2.406 billion is for financing; leasing, PLN 86 million. So let me tell you 3/4 of 80% is the spendings for mining. When it comes to division for tasks of recreation development, it's 35%. In total, it's not what we would like to see, but this is something that we can do because the recreation and maintenance are very important components that provide us with the chance to survive, and we cannot -- those cannot suffer because of our investment plans. So we need to divide those assets so that every party is happy with the values they receive. So let's go to the next slide right now. Okay. This slide, the circular slide that we can -- this pie chart. So we can go to the segments. So PLN 2 billion -- of the execution, PLN 2.492 billion, 2.019 billion is mining. So of course, outfitting of the mines because we are mentioning that this is a type of activity that every day we are extracting every part of the deposit, let's say, so a part, we should also prepare for the excavation for every other day. So that's why maintenance of the mining region, so the construction of conveyor belts and stuff like that is important. Also, for the construction of the transformer station, those are all basic tasks. There are plenty of basic tasks that make our work in the industry mining -- in the mining industry profitable. So we need to have active mining department. Another very important item in here is replacement of machine park. And we undertaken plenty of actions in here in accordance with the regulations that are in force to rationalize the purchase of machines. And this year, right now in -- for 3 quarters, we have 201 machines, and the goal is 256 machines. And this is the approximate number because every year, depending on the needs, it's always the approximate. So 5 -- plus/minus 5 to 10 machines. And so that's why we shouldn't be mentioning any delays because this is a result of the previous year. So 256 machines. This is something that we want to purchase until the end of the year. The next item, mine dewatering. So we know the problem. So the water in Polkowice-Sieroszowice. So for example, the anti-filtration barrier needs to be prepared under the shaft SW4, so PLN 187 million. The development of the Zelazny Most tailings storage facility, and we are referencing to that because it was all related to Q3 to get all the acceptances, permits for the exploitations, for the construction, the environmental authorizations and licenses as well, so we can proceed with the construction of the storage. So we need to be consistent and go step by step, but this is also complemented by the investment in the construction of the so-called barriers surrounding the reservoir. So in order to decrease the pressure, and this is the so-called -- so those also -- some wells, special wells, relief wells in order to relieve the area. Also, the next part, so the replacement of mines and tailings divisions. So different types of modernizations of conveyors, shafts, ACs, ventilations in the hydro facility, hydrotechnical facility. So for example, pipes, the network of pipes because as you can probably recall, one of the reasons of gathering a substantial amount of water when we arrived to KGHM was exactly that. So the infrastructure of pipelines was not good. So we are removing this downside. And right now, we can maintain the safe level of water of Zelazny Most, and we can proceed. So exploration, this is not significant, so PLN 86 million. And the next year due to the entrance of Bytom Odrzanski, we will be drilling new holes in order to get some more exploration within that region, and this is in perspective. Maintenance of shafts, those are mostly -- so PLN 56 million, and this is mostly for the SW4 shaft complex. So step by step, we need to remove the salt and move the infrastructure. And the biggest part, so deposit access program, so 34% for all investment -- mining investments. And on the first slide, we have 35%. We have development. So this is, in fact, this position, this item plus exploration, of course. So it's still mining and mostly prepared for north, for shafts because a shaft without the possibility of connecting to the mining system becomes a well, and we are not constructing wells. So that's why we are very much interested in the intensification of work for Retkow, [ GG-2 Odra ] and Gaworzyce. And for the plant areas, the gallery areas that we have, for Q1, we have 32.4. So within the plan and the execution is not endangered in here, and we are right now going back to the situation from a year ago. So the excavations were underwater. And right now, they are well prepared and accessible. So we are sort of like trying to get the time back. But the excavations are not everything. And for example, we need conveyor belts for those. We need to prepare roads. Those need to be limited because, of course, we need to prepare the proper conveyor belt systems for that. And it's all when it comes to the basic inflows, and this is also a slide that shows the scope of our works for the upcoming years. And in green, we have the upcoming shafts that we will be constructing in the future. And please pay attention that in June 2023, we have the deconstruction of the shaft. We have been noticing the increase, and it all transfers into the ton of excavation of yield. So right now we have a stabilization of Glogow. So those amounts are not so relevant anymore. But when it comes to the construction of the following shafts, so GG-1 and on the surface and the equipment of the facility, we have the reinforcement prepared for the shaft and anti-weight in -- for one of the machines, so machine 1. And we are also preparing for the construction of the target cage. We are also increasing from 33 to 34 when it comes to AC of megawatts, but it will be given for the exploitation in September '29. And -- so PeBeKa 2 units from our group, so the general contractor for the surface works, so the liquidation of the temporary facilities and Bipromet, so a company that plays a role of the so-called engineer of the contract will be overseeing the progress of work. When it comes to GG-2, apart from the planning work for the municipality because we need to get the permits because as you know, in some other words, the GG-2 will be in different place as compared to what was planned before. And the works are going in accordance with the schedule when it comes to the transformator station. So the first hall is done already. So there will be no dislocation and the shaft will be there. When it comes to Gaworzyce shaft, we have everything prepared. We are preparing for the geological drills right now. So it's all when it comes to the shaft. Let's proceed to the next slide when it comes to the execution in metallurgy. So it's PLN 358 million, and the main investments and the point of interest of ours at the end of the year. There will be a renovation, Cedynia mine conducted. But in general, we are preparing for Glogow 2 that will be taking place next year. So the first contracts, purchases as well, and those are the main points of interest when it comes to metallurgy. When it comes to ZWRs, it's modernization of mills, crushers, ball mills and press fillers -- filters, sorry. And we are counting on ending the Legnica smelter as well. So the new technology without no caps, no cap -- and until the end of the next year, this installation will be accessible and available. So that's all when it comes to the investments, the basic info. Thank you very much.
Andrzej Szydlo: I will digress for a moment here. Such detailed presentation by President Bryja results from 2 things. First, his passion; and secondly, the importance KGHM puts on investment and development and providing long-term efficiency of our facilities. Thank you very much, President. You can see -- we can see your enthusiasm and heart, but time is running out. So let's move on.
Piotr Krzyzewski: Thank you. So let's move on to financial results. Piotr Krzyzewski. Yes, it's good to be last because I can start from a summary. So I will borrow some of the words that my predecessors used. So to summarize, the Q3, but also all 3 quarters of this year, we've observed and have been observing good production levels with good cost discipline. At the same time, we're using our opportunities. In consequence, we have good financial results and creation of additional value for shareholders and stockholders. This is what we focused on, and you can see that after these 9 months. Before we move on to the presentation, 3 key aspects I would like to emphasize. If I started from finances, I would say the first important element here, President Szydlo mentioned that is the exchange rate. We discussed a lot about tariffs. They are important. However, through the prism of our results, we are able to manage our trade activities so that tariffs do not affect us so much. But the exchange rate affects us just like all the other European economy and all the other industries in Europe. And this is a great challenge in terms of competitiveness for the industrial -- from the European industry. In Poland, it's particularly important because zloty is also very strong right now. So as the President said, on one hand, the copper prices raised by 5%, and our currency also raised by 5%. So at the end of the day, all the national assets, the price of copper in dollars then calculated -- recalculated into zloty has the same value, even though it increased in general. In terms of trade, again, the last quarter was very dynamic. On one hand, spread between LME and CME grew by PLN 3,000 almost. And then we had the 2nd of August when we finished the claim based on Paragraph 232 in the States, and the decision was made of not imposing tariffs on semi-finished products, but raw materials were tariffed -- were taxed. So again, it did not affect us so much. We were able to rechannel our goods and the flow of our goods. So thank you very much for the commercial team and our clients, our logistics department. So we -- there was a lot of time pressure there. But as you can see, the results are impressive. And energy aspects. Again, very volatile, first transactions, first PPAs in the history of the company. We purchased 110-megawatt hours, 2 big wind farms that will provide energy for us next year. To give you the bigger picture, this is 5% of the purchased energy a year. And if we look at it from the perspective of the infrastructure, it's like Legnica will be covered by 72% by wind energy. And from the perspective of ESG, it's like in Scope 2, we reduced Scope 2 by 5% next year. So energy transition is important, but I also have to emphasize the fact that this is a very efficient financial instrument, and it will contribute very well to lower cost of purchasing energy in the next year and years to come. Moving on to the presentation now. In terms of group revenues, it's 1% lower. But as President Laskowski mentioned, it has its reasons. President Szydlo, the maintenance on electro-refinition at Glogow was responsible for that. I will show you what it means. We produced less, but we managed to earn more. And this is something we focus a lot. It's not about production volume, but we want to produce as efficiently as possible in terms of finance. Operating costs, also lower by 1%. What was mentioned during our first quarter conference, we focus on cost discipline. Cost optimization program is working very well. And then if we take into -- exclude depreciation, then it's minus 2%. So this is something we will be doing in the coming periods, as you will see. So the adjusted EBITDA, as you can see, is plus 16% year-on-year. But again, keep in mind the fact that in 2024 for 9 months compared to 9 months 2023, EBITDA -- adjusted EBITDA was plus 43%. So very, very high dynamics of growth. So we're raising the bar. In terms of the contributions, as you can see, over PLN 1 billion higher EBITDA, out of which Sierra Gorda, PLN 7 million, then KGHM Polska Miedz, and KGHM International, also strong contributors as well. President also mentioned Sierra Gorda here. What we do in our domestic assets, we also do in international assets. So we focus on one hand, fulfill our cost discipline. And in Sierra Gorda, it's a low-grade mine. This is the most important aspect. So the financial lever is very important here. And we've made a lot of changes here, both personnel and managerial, minus 1 level, relations with our partners, so far T2 is also doing very well. So the team of the President also contributes in many areas to Sierra Gorda. And the cooperation between the assets is also very good, and we see very positive results of that here. Here, looking at group sales revenue, the first is, yes, the renovation in electro-refinition. You can see the sales -- changes in sales volumes is copper and this is due to the maintenance in electro-refinition. So by 16% own contribution, own concentrate and 4% only in foreign inputs. So it shows how well we are able to adjust. A great thank you for the smelter departments. So we're looking at production through the perspective of finances. And the results are really, really well. The other positions should be connected. So position 2, 3 and 4. If we combine them, we have PLN 800 million plus. So this is how efficiency and management looks like, risk management looks like. This is plus PLN 800 million. To remind you, last year, we have generated PLN 670 million plus. In this year it's over PLN 100 million. And again, our strategies work in a way that they can allow us to participate in exchange rate increase. So this contributed positively to the result. Here, we have the expenses by nature. Again, we're getting very close to the inflation levels, 4%, both in terms of capital group and similarly on domestic assets, again, again, plus 4%. The biggest value positions here are well, tax, unfortunately, plus 10%. In terms of value, I would say, cost of -- labor costs, PLN 300 million, in the capital group in Poland, PLN 200 million. Also here, we have the reserve for the pension expenses. And let's take a look at the use of materials here. It's also going -- it's still going down. And a great work -- a great achievement of the capital group here. Energy and energy factors here, the quantity decided here, the price is lower, but we used more energy, less gas. This was also a result of some of the maintenance activities on steam and gas blocks. So I would say the budget of gas plus energy keeps being optimized, and that contributes to very good results. And that -- that gives us the image we see. So C1 unit cost. In the capital group, we have minus 6%, but if we exclude the tax, the decrease is minus 13%, which is a very good result. And that here is a result of both production efficiency and cost regime. Taking a look at some particular clusters of assets in Poland, plus 2%. But again, if we exclude the tax from that, that would be minus 4%. So from that perspective, again, great cost discipline and all the factors that we could influence determine the fact that C1 go down. And then C1 is recalculated and dependent on the USD rate. So if we exclude that as well, then that would place us on the level of minus 9% almost. So this is the real value if we eliminate both the tax and the exchange rate from our analysis. Then taking a look at KGHM International, as the President mentioned already, good levels of production, both on Robinson mine and TCRC is supporting us here. Logistics costs got down mostly. All that contributed to the fact that C1 in KGHM International got down by almost 40%. And Sierra Gorda marked decrease of almost 50%. And here, TPMs are very, very important. And the facts that were already mentioned, TCRC, molybdenum, all the opportunities on the market we have used. And that is showed in C1. And then the financial results. The first column, let me just mention that it's without -- Sierra Gorda excluded. So KGHM International and domestic assets, positive contribution. And what was mentioned by President Laskowski, I would like to thank the mining departments that contributes very, very well in both assets. And as the President said, the last quarter in Poland in terms of ore extraction is very good in Poland. And we see that this tendency is being continued also now. So these perspectives are really good. Second parameter that contributed positively would be our loans and loans also sent to Sierra Gorda. And the biggest negative element, exchange rate differences. To give you the picture. These are the exchange rate differences resulting from our loans granted to Sierra Gorda. And because of that, the change of exchange rate, the result is around PLN 1 billion. And part of our debt, part of all the bank liabilities we have is also denominated in dollars that contributed positively, gave us PLN 200 million plus, but then we are still minus PLN 800 million -- minus. That influenced detrimentally the financial result of the group. Last thing, cash flow, also very important, if not the most important because cash is what matters in the end. Looking at operational cash flow, comparing it with investing activities, we are very close to financing our investing activities with operating activities. And here, I would like to point one thing to your attention. EBITDA positive -- contributes very positively. But then stock, something that will be connected with the maintenance in Glogow smelter. We have some last corrections on our budget for the next year. We don't want it to influence our cathode production. So we are calculating right now how many anodes we need to create to make it in time without this smelter to provide stability of the company. So by the end of September, in semi-finished products, you probably observed that it's over PLN 1.4 billion semi-finished product, mainly anodes that we are producing right now for stock. We have it very well calculated and it pays off, I have to assure you. It will cost us some of the current assets. But still by the end of the day, it will positively contribute to our results. So I think on the annual conference, we will show you that and this element is going to be growing. It's going to be increasing. One more thing that I would like to mention in the last days, to conclude, the cash flow. We will be emitting our bonds in December. This is a planned transaction that contributes to the strategy, that writes in the strategy of stable financing. One of the important elements apart from bank financing would be bond financing. We have the whole program written down. We already emitted bonds once. Right now, we will refinance that emission and that issuance, we want to prolong the refinancing terms, and we want to use the positive situation, market situation. So this is something that you will be shown by the end of the year for sure. Thank you very much.
Operator: I would like to thank the Management Board for the presentation of results. Now feel free to ask the questions. And due to time limitations, please focus on the questions for this presentation today. Do we have any questions from the room? No questions from the room.
Janusz Krystosiak: I think I have a question from the Internet, from the web. Jakub Szkopek, Erste. It's pretty long. When it comes to 2 years ago when the Management Board was taking job at KGHM, they were basing their actions on the assumed copper prices. Right now the copper prices are 11,000 increase the prices of gold and silver, increase tax on excavation. When the Management Board will test again and reverse the -- and write-offs, and to reverse the write-offs.
Piotr Krzyzewski: Yes. So to answer those questions, when I remember from PLN 8,000, PLN 8,250, right now, we are close to PLN 11,000. We need to add one more parameter. Back then, the exchange rate was PLN 4.10. Right now, it's PLN 3.60. It's a very important element when it comes to the increase because it's not high when it comes to Polish zloty, but some other aspects as well because as I understand, the matter of the change when it comes to the taxation, the tax for the balance date, we'll be talking to the auditor, to the supervisor, and this is an aspect that was -- is being analyzed by us, whether there is a reason for that. So we need to have a broader look, not only through the prism of the copper price itself. Thank you very much.
Janusz Krystosiak: And to continue with the questions via e-mails, I think it's for Ms. President and for Mr. President, Piotr Krzyzewski. So 2 questions from Morgan Stanley. Number one, when can we expect an update on the Sierra Gorda development? What areas are the feasibility studies conducted for?
Anna Sobieraj-Kozakiewicz: So ladies and gentlemen, we are trying to have a very detailed approach when it comes to investments for Sierra Gorda. At the current stage, we are in the preparation of the feasibility study. For which, the end date is at the end of this year or the beginning of the next year. And only then we'll have the full package of information that will be the basis for our decision. And we can -- we will be able to talk about the further investment decisions. Right now, the gathering information stage is in progress.
Janusz Krystosiak: Question number 2 from [ Janusz ]. What part of the turnover capital -- working capital can be reversed in Q4?
Piotr Krzyzewski: So as mentioned, the key element will be the matter of the construction of the optimal state of semi-finished products. So -- and what will be the burden of the turnover capital? And we are working on some other elements as well to free up the capital as well, and this is something that you can observe too. So it's very difficult for me to provide the details when it comes to the numbers. But just to add on what Ms. President was saying, our strategy from the very beginning was for our assets to be developed, and we are focusing on what you can see right now, and we have agreed with our partners that, first, the assets need to be produced effectively, the goals, the results need to be reached, and then we can talk about the investments. The first one is executed, reached and needs to be continuously reached. But right now we can talk about the investments. And I think that this aspect is very complex because from the perspective of the fourth line, for green line, this aspect is much more complex. So we are making the drills in the concession area. So the mineralization is in the neighborhood. And the layout, the exact layout of Sierra Gorda, this is something that we are having discussions over. And we are considering all the assets that are developing in terms of operations, and we are looking at the investments from the financial efficiency.
Andrzej Szydlo: So I'll just add on this. From the very beginning, so for a longer period of time right now, we have been saying that, first and foremost, the international assets should be organized and optimized, and this is something that is being done. And secondly, not so long ago we had a problem of the due date of loans, [ so Doosan ]. And this problem was resolved too. The third thing, this year, Ms. President was referring to the payment of loans. And it's good that it's happening. So this will also be contributing to -- for us to protect us from the proper levels of the pay of the loans when it comes to the exchange rates. And the last thing, the most important one, the CapEx that are pretty relevant when it comes to the off-sites and the fourth line. And to be truth with you, the burden of the investments, when it comes to the group, we all know it, and we have been signalizing it as a Management Board. The biggest challenge when it comes to the investment is at KGHM S.A. And of course, the project that can be attractive, so increase of the -- increasing the Sierra Gorda production capacity when it comes to the fourth line, provided that it's going to be effective, efficient, can go hand-in-hand with what we are planning when it comes to the finances for KGHM. So for example, if we consider this to be very efficient with relatively short return rate, we need to remember that fourth line is working negative -- in a negative manner for the so-called loans. And we are turning this capital well, it's working well. So when it comes to the answer, we need to search for the proper balance for the investments. First, we need to proceed with the ones that are the most important. So for example, the ones that we need to execute, then we need to proceed with the ones that are the most profitable ones.
Anna Sobieraj-Kozakiewicz: So just to add on that answer. The last sentence from me, we would like to focus on the production to be at a foreseeable level, and this is something that we are putting a lot of effort into right now. We're talking about the Millennia CapEx, $700 million for the fourth line of Millennia. So this is something that we need to keep in mind. And what was stated before, the international assets are contributing positively to EBITDA. So right now, 46% of corrected EBITDA. But at this CapEx, we need to be sure that the return rate will be proper.
Andrzej Szydlo: So just at the very end, to remember, for Sierra Gorda, the decisions are made with our partners. So we are -- we have 50% of shares, but this is not a monopoly for the decision. So we need to agree upon those and we are co-referencing and searching for proper solutions.
Piotr Krzyzewski: I would like to add one more sentence when it comes to financing because ladies and gentlemen, this is something that we have been communicating and saying to you. We are trying to separate the international assets from the banking perspective. So for example, $500 million for Sierra Gorda, there's a bigger option in here to get more financing. KI is getting more financing for different assets as well with our support from the substantial part. So I would like to say that we are not defining the risk of cannibalization of CapEx because I think there is no risk as such. But when it comes to the loans and changing the philosophy not to generate additional loans, yes, this is something that we have been focusing on from the very beginning, and we have been -- so we will be providing the financing from the operational standpoint, but for respective assets.
Unknown Analyst: If I can just ask President, Krzyzewski, you said that we produced less but earned more. So at KGHM, Q4 usually was the biggest sales. So what is the prediction for the future that in Q4 we produced more and we sold more and earned more. Is that possible for the future for Q4?
Piotr Krzyzewski: A very good question. But I have to answer when it comes from the sort of like the back office perspective. And I think that this is actually publicly available when it comes to the European market. So the benchmark, so [indiscernible] for cathodes is 40% higher compared to this year. So I will not comment on that. But for sure, we will be optimizing that in the long perspective. The company earns as much as possible on its products, of course, depending on the availability of the items on the market. And this is something -- we also need to remember about the geopolitical world. So we are responsible for the 50% of the copper in Europe. So this technological tract is dependent on us in Europe, depending on the partners, depending on the availability of the product and raw materials, too.
Janusz Krystosiak: Thank you very much. One more question from mBank from (sic) [ for ] Mr. President, Bryja. When it comes to -- what will be the profile of the expenses for new 3 shafts in time? So the CapEx will be divided in even amounts. Are there any more intensive -- intense periods?
Zbigniew Bryja: When it comes to the construction of the shaft, the most expensive part is the deepening part and then equipment of the shaft when it comes to GG-1 and Retkow is of different purposes. And this is transferring to the -- providing proper equipment for the shafts because we need to remember that any additional equipment is sort of like limiting the amount of air within the shaft. When it comes to the first hole drilled in Retkow, we are just waiting for 2 more, the construction of the freezing units, so 44 holes need to be drilled the whole installation. When it comes to the deepening of the hole, we are assuming at 2028, 2029. When it comes to the shaft, it will be deepened and evened out in accordance with our schedule around 2036. And this is the most important part for Retkow, but all the remaining shafts within the period of 2 or 3 years will be going after that shaft. So that will be the concentration of the period from 2034 to 2040. So those will be the expenses in different parts of time for 3 shafts. So Retkow will be finished in 2040, the next one in 2042, and the next one in 2044. So if we are talking about the deepening as being the most expensive part, and then providing the proper infrastructure for the shaft is the 30s, but it's very difficult to indicate a specific year because we haven't started the deepening period yet. So it's a matter of a year or 2 years. So thank you very much.
Janusz Krystosiak: Thank you very much. So do we have any questions from the room? If not, then it's... The last question, a bit technical, analytical from me. I will try to answer that and maybe Mr. President will -- so Adam Milewicz from PKO BP. Why in Q3 of this year, why is it the income tax CIT, corporate income tax, is so high?
Piotr Krzyzewski: So last year, we've been observing the return of CIT from the previous years, and this is sort of like distorting the analytics part of this tax. And this one that we have right now is a standard level. So please consider that for -- in terms of the previous periods as well.
Operator: Right. Thank you very much for attending this conference and feel invited to the next one that will be happening next year. Thank you very much. [Statements in English on this transcript were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]