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Antonia Junelind: Good morning, and a warm welcome to the presentation of Skanska's Third Quarter Report for 2025. For those of you that don't know me, I'm Antonia Junelind. I'm the Senior Vice President for Skanska's Investor Relations. And here on stage in our studio today, I've got President and CEO, Anders Danielsson; and CFO, Jonas Rickberg. We're going to follow the typical structure of these press conferences. We will start by walking through the past quarter to provide you with a business, financial and market development update. And after that initial presentation, we will move over to questions. [Operator Instructions] If you are here in the room with us, then you can, of course, just ask questions by raising your hand. We will bring a microphone to you, and we will take it from there. So yes, I will no longer hold you off. We'll take you through the third quarter. Anders, let's do this.
Anders Danielsson: Thank you, Antonia. Good to see everyone. Before we jump into the figures, I want you to look at the picture here on the slide. And that's called The Eight, one of our project development office building in Bellevue, part of Greater Seattle area in the United States. And it's actually a Class A building, one of the biggest or the biggest commercial investment we have had. We're also proud to be able to announce in a couple of years back that we have the greatest, the biggest lease here as well. And this -- today, the office building is leased more than 80%. So it's a great, great building. I'm happy to say that we're going to host the Capital Market Day in a few weeks in the same building. So I look forward to see everyone who will show up there. And we will also have a deep dive, of course, of the U.S. operation at the time, together with the commercial direction forward for the group. But now the third quarter. It's a solid quarter, solid third quarter. The construction is performing very well in all geographies, and we have strong market generated by a solid project portfolio. In Residential Development, we have very strong sales and margin in our Central European business, so a very high performance there. The Nordic market remains weak, which impacts both the sales and the profitability level. Commercial Property Development. We have 2 large lease contracts signed in the quarter, and I will come back to the profitability level here. Investment Properties, stable performance, stable cash flow and stable leasing ratio. Operating margin in Construction is 4.2%, very high level, very high compared to last year, 3.6%, and well above our target, as you know. Return on capital employed in Project Development, 1.4%, and that's on the low level below our target but it's driven by a slow market in different parts of our operation. Return on capital employed in Investment Properties is 4.7%, stable performance there on a rolling 12. Return on equity, 10% on a rolling 12-month basis. And we continue to have a solid performance on the financial position, and that's very important for us, of course, and a competitive advantage going forward. And we also managed to continue to reduce the carbon emission. And now we are at 64% reduction compared to our baseline year in 2015. So I will go into each and every stream, starting with Construction. Revenue increase in local currencies, 7%, which is good. Order bookings is around SEK 40 billion. And we do have a book-to-build ratio over 100% on a rolling 12-month basis. So we have a very good position when it comes to order backlog. I will come back to that. But it is on historically high levels. And operating income close to SEK 1.8 billion, increased from last year, SEK 1.5 billion. And again, the operating margin is very strong here, 4.2%. So strong result and high margin across all geographies, and that's very encouraging and also prove that we have kept our discipline and we have been successful in the strategic direction here. And we have a rolling 12 months group operating margin of 3.9%. Solid order intake for the group and a strong backlog. Moving on to the Residential Development. Revenue is pretty much in line with last year. We have sold 383 homes, and we have increased the started homes mainly driven by the Central European operation, 572 started homes. And we have an operating income of SEK 131 million, representing a return on capital employed 5.9% on a rolling 12. Very strong sales and result in Central Europe. We have started 2 new projects, and we have -- with a very good presale level, which drives, of course, the sales in the quarter. The Nordic housing market remains weaker and Nordic businesses recorded a very small loss there. But overall, it's driven by a weak market. We can see some signs of improvement in the Norwegian operation here, but overall, quite slow. Commercial Property Development. Operating income is minus SEK 397 million, which is driven by write-downs in impairments, write-downs in few projects in the U.S. properties. We'll come back to that. But that gives -- we also have a gain on sale of SEK 377 million in the quarter. Return on capital employed is 0, rolling 12. We do have 15 ongoing projects representing SEK 15 billion in investment upon completion of those projects. And we have 22 completed projects representing SEK 18 billion in total investment. The leasing ratio in those completed projects is fairly good. We are at 77% leased. So we have a good position there, giving us a cash flow -- positive cash flow. Three project divestment and one internal land transfer in the quarter. Result includes these impairment charges, of course, in U.S. And we have 2 large lease contracts signed in the same quarter. Investment Properties, operating income stable, SEK 143 million, and we do have a stable occupancy rate of 83%, it was the same as last quarter. The total property values continue to be on the same level, SEK 8.2 billion. If I go back to the Construction stream now and look at the order bookings. And here, you can see over time for last 5 years, the order backlog, the bars, the blue bars here. You can also see the rolling 12 order bookings, the light gray line and the order bookings per quarter, the orange. And also the revenue, the green, rolling 12, which you can see has had a slow increasing trend the last few years. And that's thanks, of course, that we have been successful in increasing the order backlog, which again is on historically high level. And you can see the yellow line, the book-to-build rates over 12 months. So I think it's important here to look at over the rolling 12 months' trend, because when it comes to order bookings, it can fluctuate quite a lot between a single quarter. And that you can see also when you look at the order intake in the quarter, which is down from SEK 50 billion to around SEK 40 billion. We'll come back to each and every geography here. But we are in a very good position. And if I look at the order bookings per geographies, you can see here that overall, we have a book-to-build ratio of 106%, and we have over well above in the Nordic and European operation slightly below in the U.S. operation on a rolling 12-month basis. But look at the months of production, 19 months in overall, and I'm very confident that we have a very good position. So we can continue to be selective going for projects that we see we have competitive advantage and that we have a good track record as well for the future. So with that, I hand over to Jonas to go through the financials.
Jonas Rickberg: Thank you, Anders. And we'll continue here with the Construction side. And as you can see, the revenue is fairly flat here in SEK, but it's actually up then with 7% in local currency. The green line, we're actually then having a gross margin that has increased to 8% in the quarter, which really emphasizes the great quality that we have in the order book. We continue to have a strong and good cost control within the stream, and that is then generating that you can see over the line there, but that is also then showing here with a good result in the operating margin of 4.2%. Operating income of SEK 1.8 billion, an increase with 22% versus last year. Worth mentioning again, I would say, is the rolling 12 of 3.9% in operating margin. Looking here on the geographies, we still see that we have a solid delivery for all the areas, Nordic, Europe and U.S. That sticks out a little bit on the positive side here, it's actually Sweden with 4.9. That is building up from a strong portfolio right now, and it's very clear natural trends within the quarter and so on. So if we summarize the Construction line here, the Construction stream, we can see that we have a strong performance in all geographies right now. We have actually a 5-year track record here on margins that are on or above our target of 3.5%, which is strong. And of course, as you said, Anders, we had SEK 264 billion here in our order book that we can harvest from, and that is a real strength going forward. Moving on then to residential development. Here, we can see the income statement. And of course, you can see that half of the revenue actually come from Central Europe, which is really strength from that delivery point of view. We started 2 new projects in Central Europe in Prague and Kraków, and that had a really good presales level as well. We have reduced S&A significantly over the years. And right now, we have an organization that is set for higher volumes going forward to really get the leverage here on the S&A going forward. Also, please note that we have an upward trend on the rolling 12 operating margin at 8% here, which is strong. Looking at the operating income or income statement by geographies, you can see here very clear that Europe of SEK 159 million, that is really lifting or keeping up the strong -- the performance here in the stream on a margin of 17.5%. Secondly, here, you can see that Nordic is a little bit on the weaker side, and that is mainly driven by low revenue, actually low sales, few units sold. And also it confirms the trend here that we have said before that buyers really would like to buy close to completion and that we are selling mostly from projects that were a little bit weak in margin that is reflected here. Moving on to home started. You can see that we have out of the 572 units, we have 430 that is coming then from Central Europe and then 142 in Nordic here, and that is actually that we have started places here in Oslo and Uppsala and [ Östersund ]. And looking at the homes sold of the 383, you can see that 240 is actually then coming from presales started in Central Europe and 141 from the Nordic areas here. Rolling 12 months, you can see that we are very balanced when it comes to the sold and started homes, I would say. If we turn into our stock situation, you can see that we have -- the homes in production is actually then ticking up to a level of almost 2,900 homes in production, and that is up since Q2. Unsold completed homes is also coming down from Q2 level of 486, which is good as well. If you summarize the Residential Development area, we can see that we have a good performance despite we have a challenging situation in the Nordic, but it's really lifted up from the Central European unit here. And also that we are preparing here good projects within pipeline for start when the market condition is in a better place as well. If we move to Commercial Development, you can see here that revenue side, there are 3 divestments, 1 in Poland and 2 in Sweden. And also, we have the internal sales of land from -- in Europe here. Impacting the operating income is actually the gain from sales mostly related then to -- from a situation of SEK 234 million here in the gain of sales. Also, as we were into, we had an asset impairment in U.S. of SEK 658 million. And as we have mentioned earlier, it's low transaction volume in U.S. and it's very slow there. So it's -- the visibility is hard to compare there. So it's a few units only. The impairment has done, of course, to really ensure that we are having the right balance, the asset value in the balance sheet, and we are doing this continuously over quarters. And it's very clear that it has no cash flow impact, and it's then representing a little bit more than 3% of the book value of total U.S. portfolio. Moving on to unrealized and realized gains. Here, we can see that we had SEK 5 billion in the quarter, and it's an upward trend, which is good. And that is then sign actually of the starting -- of the fact that we are starting to see the positive impact of slowly starting new projects here with profitable and solid business cases. We have a situation. We have a good land bank in attractive locations that we really would like to build and harvest from going forward and actually making sure that we have solid business case for this going forward. In the portfolio, we have unrealized gains of 10% here in Q3. And as we have said many times before, it's very, very quite much in the portfolio between the different regions of started and older -- more new project versus older projects and so on. If we move on here to the completion profile of all the Commercial Development properties that we have, we have SEK 18 billion of already completed and 22 projects. And as we can see here, it's on the purple line, it's up -- it's 77% in leasing, and that is up from 74% last year. So it's a good trend there. Also, if you look into the green dots, and if you are very particular comparing them to the last quarter, they all have moved up, and that is a real strength here that we are leasing more with ongoing projects. And in Q3, we also made sure that we are having a better outlook here for Central Europe and Nordics when it comes to the commercial property. And it's very much based on the fact that we can see that we have -- there's better access to debt as well as the pricing on debt and so on, and that is driving a little bit the market here. And that is, of course, very encouraging to see. Focus even more here when it comes to the leasing part of commercial operation. We can see that we have in the bar there to the blue, last right, you can see 77,000 square meters let, and that is actually then coming from 2 big leases, H2Offices in Budapest as well as Solna Link that we have started there. Also, we can see, I'm very glad also that we have a trend shift here. Average leasing ratio of the ongoing projects is 64% versus then the compared to completion of 55%. And that is a strength, of course, that we are increasing the leasing versus then the completion that we have. To sum up, we have a strong leasing activity in the quarter. And of course, we see the importance here to turning the -- all the completed assets that we have and translate them going forward and also be able to make sure that we have solid business case to start with when the market is ready and so on. We have a lot of things to sell, but we are also very cautious about how -- and we have a very patient and good value for the -- we really would like to capture the good value that we have created over the years. So very good patience here to sell the good things that we have, I would say. When it comes to the Investment Properties, it's stable operational and financial performance within the stream. Operation income is positively impacted by a reassessment of the property value of some units here, and it's actually then SEK 53 million up. And that is also a sign that we can see that we have better outlook here for the Nordic markets real estate as well. Moving into the income statement. We can -- here, I would like to take the focus a little bit on the central items that is SEK 58 million, and that is actually then coming from a positive effect from release of provision on the asset management business related to some milestones in projects there. Also, we can see that cost varies between quarters and so on. And as I said last quarter 2, we are on the level that we are representing more or less the first half year of this year for the full year. And we are seeing a little bit higher cost here due to the fact that we have outsourced IT infrastructure that is impacting this year, but of course, it will be better here going forward once we can see these synergies. Also, looking at the elimination line there, you can see that, that is then connected to the internal transfer, that of SEK 234 million recognized in the commercial development area. And no swings really in the financial net, and we actually then recorded a profit of SEK 1.3 billion and an earnings per share increased by 36% versus last quarter. Moving into group cash flow. We can see that we had a 0 cash flow for the quarter, and that was a result of that we are in a net investment for Residential and Construction stream right now. If we lift ourselves a little bit more and look into the bigger trend of rolling 12, we can see that we have a really good underlying cash flow from the business operation, and we can see good -- and continue to have good level of negative working capital as we will come into soon as well. And also, we can see that we continue being a net divestment cycle that we really would like to be and releasing more cash and so on. Focusing on the construction and the free working capital, you can see it's fairly flat there between the Q2 and Q3. And we are quite comfortable with these levels as we have right now and so on. Also worth mentioning here is that the higher bars here last year, quarter 3 and quarter 4, are not representing really because it was very much connected then to mobilization of some milestones in big projects that we have an advantage of. And of course, we have 18.2% here in relation to revenue, which is strong. Moving on to the investment side. As mentioned, the quarter, we had net investment for the group. But rolling 12 period, we remain on the net divestment territory here. This means that we are taking down the capital employed level within Residential and Commercial Development here, as you can see in the bottom from SEK 64 billion then to SEK 62 billion and so on. Looking ahead, of course, as I said, we have a few assets on the balance sheet that we really would like to transfer and making ready for divestments. We are starting and preparing new products with really good solid business case as well. But the timing of these flows are of essential that the market and the demand and supply are meeting, then, of course, we will shoot off these. For sure, once we see that we are succeeding here with the divestments, we're making sure that we will then invest more going forward. If we look into the liquidity point here, we can see that we have a good liquidity situation of SEK 28.1 billion here. And that is then a super strong position, and we have a loan portfolio that have a balanced maturity profile as well. Finishing off here with the financial position, which is very, very strong, as you know, who has followed us. We have an equity of SEK 60 billion, and that is almost a level of 38% and equity ratio. We have an adjusted net cash of SEK 9.3 billion. And as you were into Anders, it's a good situation to be in and also good for all our customers that are really relying on us and making sure -- and trusting us in the fact that we are here to complete the projects no matter what. So we have the financial strength to do that, I would say. And by that, handing over to you, Anders.
Anders Danielsson: Sure. I will go through the market outlook before we summarize and start the Q&A. Market outlook for Construction is pretty much unchanged from the last quarter. We have a strong civil market in the U.S., and we can see we are in a more traditional infrastructure operation in U.S. So we can see a strong pipeline, and we don't see any slowdown here. And there's still existing federal funding programs as running over time here. The civil market in Europe is more stable. It's strong in Sweden due to -- we can see that there's a lot of investments in infrastructure. We can see defense and also wastewater and that kind of facility coming out. So that's a good opportunity for us. And the building market is stable in the U.S., continue to be stable and more weaker, especially in the Nordic due to the slower residential and commercial construction market. But in Central Europe, it's more stable, both on civil and building. Residential Development, good activity, as we've been talking about in Central Europe, great market and driven by a lot of people moving into the capital cities and the largest university cities. And the lower-than-normal market in the Nordic housing market, even though we can see some signs, the underlying need for residential is there in the market we are operating in. The lower interest rates helps, of course, but I think we need to see some economic growth, GDP growth in the different market in the Nordics to really see that people are getting back the confidence and buying homes. But we do have an underlying need. Commercial Property Development, we're increasing the outlook in Central Europe and in the Nordics. We can see higher leasing activity in both Central Europe and Nordic, we can also see that the investor market and transaction market, they are more active, especially in Central Europe, but we can see signs of improvement also in the Nordics. So we are increasing it to a stable market in those geographies. Investment Properties. Here, we can see continue to be stable market outlook. There's a strong demand for high-quality buildings, office building in the right location with good train connection and so on. We can offer that. So we can see it's a polarized market, definitely, but we are in the right location there, and we expect rents to be mostly stable here. So if I summarize the third quarter. Construction, strong margin generated by the solid project portfolio. We had a great performance in Residential Development in Central Europe, weaker in Nordic. Commercial Property Development, 2 large lease contracts signed here in the Nordic and Central Europe. And again, the Investment Property is very stable. And very important, we are maintaining a solid financial position, which is a competitive advantage. So with that, I hand over to Antonia to open up the Q&A.
Antonia Junelind: Very good. So yes, now we will open up for your questions. [Operator Instructions] But I will actually start by turning to the room to see if we have any questions here. If you have a question, then just please raise your hand. We will bring a microphone and we'll ask you to please start by stating your name and organization. We have a question here in the front.
Stefan Erik Andersson: Stefan from Danske Bank. A couple of quick ones. First, the margins in the Construction division. It's a major jump year-on-year. It looks good quarter-on-quarter as well. We're not really used to that kind of jump up. We can see the drop sometimes, but rarely such jumps up. Could you maybe elaborate on -- 2 questions. What's behind that? Are you getting rid of problem projects, and therefore, the good ones are seen? And second question on that, is this a new level that we could be comfortable calculating also for the future?
Anders Danielsson: I can take that question, Stefan. Yes, we have a very strong performance in the Construction stream. And I can say that we have been able to, by this good discipline, avoiding loss-making project. And that's a real key to be successful here. And also, we should not look at the single quarter, I said it before. So you should look more on the rolling 12 months. We don't have any positive one-offs in the quarter. It's a very good performance. And the key here is all geographies performing, and that's also quite unusual even though we have been on a good level for some years now. So right now, everyone is performing. And of course, that boosts up the underlying margin. And I also see that in a single quarter, it can fluctuate because we -- sometimes, we are completing large project, profitable project. And then since we have a conservative profit to take in -- during the construction, we can have a boost in the -- when we complete the project. So look more over time. What we expect of the future? I always expect to reach our targets and be above our targets, which we have been for some time now, and I have no other view on the future, definitely.
Stefan Erik Andersson: That's good. That's enough. And then on orders, when listening to you, you're talking a lot about the rolling 12 months and don't look at the quarter above and all that. But 2024 was extremely good in -- with large orders. Should I interpret you as the level in 2024 to be a normal year? Or should I continue to believe that it was a very, very good year, unusually good year?
Anders Danielsson: It was an unusually good year. If you look at the third quarter now in U.S. because you can see the Nordic and European is actually increasing the order intake. But the U.S., if you look at the current year, we are on a 5-year, 10 years average. And again, we have a rolling book-to-build of rolling 12, but it's very close to 100% in U.S. So I'm -- so that's how we should look at it.
Stefan Erik Andersson: And then the final question on IP. You talked about the stable situation with the occupancy there, 83%. It's 80% in Stockholm, Gothenburg. To me, if you're not [ Kista ] with new stuff, it's actually a low level and it's not improving. So just wondering a little bit, is the specific properties that is a problem? Or is it just a general spread out issue?
Anders Danielsson: I would say the leasing market is somewhat impacted by a slow economic growth. So there is -- we see some, as I said, increase in some signs of improvement, but it takes time, and it's a very polarized market. So if you have a Class A building and right location, it's much more attractive. So that's -- but it's -- you're right, it's on the same level for over a couple of quarters.
Stefan Erik Andersson: Is there specific properties that are really...
Anders Danielsson: No, I wouldn't say so. It's quite even spread.
Antonia Junelind: So we're going to continue with a question here in the room.
Albin Sandberg: Yes. Albin Sandberg, SB1 Markets. I had a question on the financial position, and you made a comment about a level where the customers are happy and they can trust you. At the same time, you have the financial targets that would allow you for substantially more debt, which I guess also is tied back to the commercial property activities and so forth. But what kind of levels do you need to be in order to have the customers to be sort of happy with you? And is there anything to read into where we are in the cycle now that makes you want to operate with a higher net cash maybe than what you theoretically could?
Jonas Rickberg: Albin, of course, I mean, we are in a business that is very cyclical. And of course, we really would like to be able to take advantage of things and be opportunistic when things are possible to do that. So we are not really guiding how much we need and so going forward. But we are comfortable with the situation we are right now, definitely.
Albin Sandberg: And my second and final question is, when it comes to your investment, the plans and so forth because obviously, your invested capital has come down a bit now year-to-date. Given what's happening on the office side and so on recently, what would take you to get the investments up now, let's say, over the next 12 months?
Jonas Rickberg: No. But as we said, we can see that we have a good leasing traction and so on and also that the market is here in Central Europe as well as in Nordic, it starts to meet and so on. And of course, if we are successful here with the SEK 18 billion that we have in the balance sheet of [ 22 ] ready projects, and if we can make them fly here. And of course, then we are a little bit more appetite for the things that we have prepared, of course. So really looking forward to things to move here.
Anders Danielsson: I can add to that, that we will start project and our starting project in geographies that we see that there's more -- better activity, we announced starting in Poland the other day as one example.
Antonia Junelind: Very good. So we will then move over to the online audience. And I will ask you, please, operator, can you put through the first caller.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Graham Hunt with Jefferies.
Graham Hunt: I've just got 2 questions, please. First one is on the U.S. commercial impairment. So you only have a handful of assets in the U.S. So I just wondered if you could give any more color on where that impairment has been taken or what kind of assets it's been taken on region-wise, type of building wise. Just any more color on the breakdown of that impairment would be helpful. And then second question also on the U.S. construction business. Last year, you had quite a lot of order intake related to data centers, but that seems to have dropped off quite significantly in 2025. Is there anything that we should read into that as to your offering in data centers? Or is that just typical lumpiness in the market? Any comments around that would be helpful.
Anders Danielsson: Sure, Graham. Thank you for the question. If I start with the U.S., we have an operation in 4 cities in U.S., as you know, and we haven't announced where. We have said now it's a few projects. And again, to Jonas' point, the value of this write-down represent just about 3% of the total value. So I don't see any drama in that. And if you look at the U.S. portfolio overall, we have mainly -- the main part is office building in those 4 cities. And we also -- but we also have high-end rental residential in the different cities as well. And we also have some small life science. But the main part is office building. And again, we have a good leasing ratio here. So we do get a good cash flow from them. But we have looked into this internally, external help, and we see due to the slow market, very few transactions. So we have to take this write-down in the single quarter. On the construction data centers, I don't think you should look in a single quarter. It can be quite lumpy. We do -- we have a healthy backlog with data centers, a lot of international -- strong international players, who invest in data centers, and we can see they continue. So we haven't seen any cancellation. And we can see that the strong pipeline will -- our expectation, it will materialize going forward.
Operator: Our next question comes from Arnaud Lehmann with Bank of America.
Arnaud Lehmann: A couple of questions on my side. Firstly, just following up on U.S. construction. Have you seen any implication from the recent government shutdown? We hear in the press about some projects being potentially canceled. So either in terms of order intakes or delays in payments or anything happening there in U.S. construction, please? That would be helpful. And secondly, I appreciate it's a small part of your business, but coming back on Residential in the Nordics, you mentioned the weakness. Can you give us a bit of color on why that is the case when rates have been coming down a little bit? And do you see at one point potential improvement into 2026?
Anders Danielsson: Thank you, Arnaud. If I start with the U.S. civil and the -- U.S. construction operation and the government shut, we haven't seen any impact on our project, and we haven't seen any cancellation either or late payment. The most of our client in U.S. operation are states, cities, institution, large -- as I said, large player on the data center side. So we are having a close look at it, of course. But so far, we haven't seen any impact. And on the Nordics, yes, as I said earlier, the underlying need for homes in the Nordics are there, definitely. And we are on a very low level if you look at the whole market and new units coming out. But -- and the rates helps, of course, interest rates cut, it helps. But we need to see consumer confidence coming back. We saw it dropped quite a lot in the first quarter this year, and we also saw the impact on the sales. So I think we need to see some economic growth in the different geographies. There's a lot of now initiative, Sweden as one example from the government to boost the growth, economic growth. And if that materialize, I'm sure we will see a different outlook in the future. But right now, we think it will take sometime.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Keivan Shirvanpour with SEB.
Keivan Shirvanpour: I have 2 questions on CD. The first is that you lifted your outlook for the Nordics and Europe in Q3. What's your expectations on divestments going forward? Are you maybe optimistic for making some transactions before the end of the year?
Jonas Rickberg: Okay. And as you all know, we don't guide here going forward. And right now, of course, we can see signs that, as I said earlier, when it comes to the leasing activities that is coming up and also that the transaction market is a little bit better with international players as well like this coming in and interesting to use the capital, so to say. So that was the main things why we are actually then increasing the outlook for the CD business here in Europe as well as in Nordic, I would say.
Keivan Shirvanpour: Okay. And then my second question is related to the unrealized gains. First of all, the complete project that you have, you have unrealized gain, which is at 5%. And then for the ongoing projects, you have unrealized gains, which is up 20%. Could you maybe elaborate the difference?
Jonas Rickberg: Sorry, once again, if you said that the unrealized in?
Keivan Shirvanpour: Yes. Unrealized gains for the completed project is equivalent to 5%, but the unrealized gains for completed projects or ongoing projects is at 20%. Why is there such a difference?
Jonas Rickberg: And that's, as I said, I mean, we had here the average of 10%, and that is then correlated to the fact that you are pointing out that we have a little bit older properties with lower, and then more new ones that is stable when it comes to the business cases and so on that is then generated the higher portfolio value there.
Keivan Shirvanpour: Okay. So just -- maybe I'll follow up. So I assume that divestments that may occur from completed projects will potentially have quite low margins, potentially single digits, if I interpret that correctly based on that valuation.
Jonas Rickberg: No. And as I said, I mean, we have the average here of 10%, and that is where we are communicating at the level right now.
Operator: Our last question over the phone comes from Nicolas Mora with Morgan Stanley.
Nicolas Mora: Just a couple of questions coming back on the U.S. First one on the order intake. You still seem to be struggling a little bit with the smaller projects, the one you account for below SEK 300 million. Is the market still soft there? There's just no real pickup in these small projects from either on the private side or the public side? That would be the first question. Second, on margins. So another very strong performance. All your peers are also doing better, especially, for example, in the U.S. civil works, but the Nordics peers as well have reported very strong results. Since everybody is being more disciplined, why not think about increasing the medium-term margin trend? You're getting very close to 4% now.
Anders Danielsson: Yes. Thank you for that question. If I start with the U.S. order intake, the average size in the U.S. are larger than compared to Europe. So we would more proportionate more -- communicate more orders there compared to Europe. But I would not -- again, I would not look at a single quarter and compare it to -- last year was significantly higher -- unusually higher. And you should look more over time. And also, we are still on a 5 years average. And I think that's -- we have a very strong order backlog in U.S. as well. So I'm confident in that, and I can also see a strong pipeline. So I'm not worried about the situation. We can continue to be selective and go for projects where we can see a competitive advantage and we can go for higher margin. That's what we've been doing for several years now, and that's paying off, obviously. So that -- and if I look at the margin then, yes, we can see that it's increasing not only in U.S., we can see good margins in Europe as well. And we definitely -- we have been on the target level or above for some time now. And -- but the target is, as you know, 3.5% or above. And of course, I have no other view on it that we should maximize the profit from the operation. So -- but the target is still relevant.
Nicolas Mora: Okay. And if I may, just following up on the question on data centers. I mean you -- obviously you said, I mean, these orders are lumpy. We should look at it over at least a 12-month basis. But if we -- indeed, if we look on a 12-month basis, it's been -- it's really been a dearth of projects in the U.S. in your sweet spot regionally and in terms of size, do you have an issue with your main customer? Or it's just basically bad luck on timing and things will pick up? I mean you say strong pipeline, but it's been now 5, 6 quarters with not much in terms of strong order intake.
Anders Danielsson: Yes. But we have also communicated the last few quarters that some -- it's coming in new -- this data centers that needs to be cool and require more cooling. So sometimes we need to -- or the client needs to design the facilities to water cooling instead of air cooling and of course, that delays some of the projects. So I don't see any -- I haven't seen any cancellation. I have seen that some clients are postponing some projects due to the need for redesign. So I still -- I'm confident in that.
Antonia Junelind: Very good. Then as far as I can see, there are no more questions from our online audience. Can you confirm that, George?
Operator: That's correct. We have no more questions.
Antonia Junelind: Perfect. And no more raised hands in the audience, or Stefan, you have one more question? Yes, sure.
Stefan Erik Andersson: Just a follow-up there on the earlier question from SEB about the margin in the completed. When it comes to the projects that you -- over the last 2 years in the U.S. have written down the value on, I would imagine if you sell them to what you think is the market value, you wouldn't have any margin on those or -- so that's part of the explanation of the low margin or do I misinterpret that?
Jonas Rickberg: No. But as I said earlier, sorry to repeat myself, I mean it's a full portfolio view we are looking into here and there is differences here between the older project and the new ones that we started and so on, and we don't give any guidance really for specific markets where we have the profitability, so to say.
Stefan Erik Andersson: I fully understand that, but put it this way, when you write down the property value, you write it down, so you don't have any margin if you sell it, what you think you could get for it? I mean you don't write down and get the margin...
Jonas Rickberg: Yes, correct. Correct.
Antonia Junelind: Very good. So that was then the final question. Thank you, Anders, Jonas, for your presentations and answers here today. And thank you, everyone. Big audience in the room today. Thank you for coming here and joining us here today. And for those of you that have been watching, thank you so much for tuning in for this webcast and press conference. We will naturally be back with a new report in the fourth quarter. And even before then, as Anders mentioned here earlier, we are hosting our Capital Markets Day on November 18. So it will take place in Seattle. And if you can't join us there, we will also live stream part of the day on our web page. So turn into our IR pages there, and you will find the link, or reach out to myself or anyone else in the IR team. Thank you so much for watching. Have a lovely day.