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Q2 2026Earnings Conference Call

Lluc Sas : Good morning, and welcome to Sabadell's results presentation for the second quarter of 2026. Joining us today are our new CEO, Marc Armengol; and our CFO, Sergio Palavecino. The presentation will follow a similar structure as in previous quarters. Marc will start by sharing his opening remarks and discussing the key highlights of the quarter. Then Sergio will review financial results and the evolution of the balance sheet before Marc concludes the presentation. Finally, we will open the line for a live Q&A session. With that, Marc, welcome, and the floor is yours.

Marc Dulcet : Thank you very much, Lluc, and good morning, everyone. It is a great pleasure to join you today for my first results presentation as CEO of Sabadell. I thought that before we move into the presentation, let me just briefly introduce myself. I became CEO in May after more than 2 decades at the group. And during that time, I have had the opportunity to work across Spain, Mexico, the United States and the United Kingdom, leading transformation, growth and integration initiatives. I also served as group COO before becoming CEO of TSB at the end of 2024. And with that, just let me turn to the presentation and start with a few opening remarks. On Slide 4, I'd like to share how I see the bank today. In short, after the sale of TSB, Sabadell is now a simpler and growth-oriented Spanish bank, delivering attractive shareholder returns. Five key takeaways. First, we are now fully focused on Spain, one of the most attractive banking markets in Europe. The Spanish economy is growing above the European average. Employment remains strong and balance sheets of the private sector are healthy. With regards to our size, we have the right scale to become a faster and more agile bank, while we keep investing in our future. Second, Sabadell has invested a lot in having a modern IT platform and infrastructure, which gives us a strong foundation for the next phase of transformation. As I just said, we will continue to invest in technology as a key enabler looking forward. Third, we have regained commercial momentum after the end of the recent hostile tender offer. The numbers we will review today clearly show that. Fourth, employee engagement is at an all-time high, reinforcing our strong execution culture. And finally, Sabadell has a proven ability to generate capital, which allows us to consistently deliver attractive shareholder returns. So what comes next? My first message is clear, we are fully committed to delivering our targets. That means achieving a 14.5% return on tangible equity this year and 16% by 2027. And looking forward, we have opportunities to create additional value by becoming more agile, benefiting from having the right scale, not too big, not too small, by leveraging on AI and technology by increasing our focus on higher-value customer segments. In short, we will deliver our commitments while we continue to look for opportunities to create further value. Now let's move to Slide 7 to start with the key highlights from the quarter. Second quarter performance was in line with our expectations. And as anticipated, marks the start of a new trend in earnings. Commercial momentum has continued to strengthen. Performing loans grew by 3% quarter-on-quarter, while customer funds increased by 1.8%. This confirms the positive trend we have seen in recent quarters. Strong commercial momentum supports the growth of core revenues. This is a trend we had already anticipated. NII grew by 3.4% quarter-on-quarter and fees increased by 4%. On costs, the early retirement program we announced last quarter has now been fully executed. We booked an additional EUR 37 million of one-off costs this quarter, bringing the total for the first half of the year to EUR 92 million. As a result, we expect EUR 20 million of savings in the second half of this year, increasing to EUR 40 million on a recurring basis from 2027. We also completed the sale of TSB during the quarter, and this gives Sabadell a simpler equity story. The transaction generated more than 400 basis points of capital and allowed us to pay an extraordinary cash dividend of EUR 0.50 per share in May. On shareholder remuneration, we have completed our EUR 800 million share buyback program. And today, we are announcing a new EUR 331 million share buyback, which proves our commitment to delivering attractive shareholder returns. Finally, our outlook remains positive. We expect profitability to continue improving in the second half of the year, and we remain on track to deliver our 2026 guidance. Let me now turn to Slide 8, where we can see that core revenues returned to growth in the quarter. Net interest income increased by more than 3% Q-on-Q, while fees grew by 4%. Recurring costs remained broadly stable in the quarter. Total provisions amounted EUR 152 million in the quarter, and this was in line with our expectations, growing up from the unusually low level we saw in the first quarter. Finally, recurring net profit reached EUR 691 million, increasing by 8.4% quarter-on-quarter. The most relevant nonrecurring impact in Q2 is the capital gain from the sale of TSB. Recurrent profitability remained at 13.6%, while reported return on tangible equity stood close to 15%. Turning now to Slide 9. Performing loans continued to accelerate during the quarter. The loan book in Spain grew by 2.8% Q-on-Q and the year-on-year growth rate reached 3.6%, although it is affected by the very strong second quarter we had last year. For that reason, the Q-on-Q trend gives a clearer view for the underlying momentum. All portfolios in Spain, as you can see, are performing strongly and delivering solid growth rates. On the international end, international portfolios are also delivering very strong growth, mainly driven by Miami and our foreign branch network. Overall, total performing loans of the group increased by 3% quarter-on-quarter and by 5.5% year-on-year, reaching EUR 125 billion. Since the beginning of the year, the loan book has grown by 4.7%, which reinforces our confidence in delivering mid-single-digit growth in 2026. These trends prove the strength of our commercial momentum. This is reflected in new lending activity, which we share in next slide, Slide 10. Here, you can see that in mortgages, the new lending increased by 22% versus the first quarter. And while the competition remains intense, and we continue to manage growth through a disciplined risk-adjusted return approach. Consumer lending has also returned to growth after the blip we had on Q1 with new lending growing by 9% in the quarter. SMEs and Corporate clients loan activity has been strong with origination of loans and credit facilities increasing by nearly 40% Q-on-Q and working capital finance also remained strong, growing by 6% in the quarter. As usual, in the second quarter, there is some seasonality in these figures, but they also reflect a real improvement in commercial momentum. This gives us confidence that lending activity has normalized and that the slowdown linked to the hostile tender offer is now behind us. Turning into customer funds in Slide 11. On-balance sheet funds grew by around 1% in the quarter and almost 5% year-on-year. Importantly, the mix between remunerated and non-remunerated deposits remained broadly stable. This supports our low cost of deposits with the overall cost of customer funds stable at 78 basis points in the quarter. Off-balance sheet funds also showed strong momentum, increasing by more than 4% Q-on-Q and 11% year-on-year. Having reviewed our financial performance and commercial momentum, let me now turn to the outlook. We remain on track to deliver our 2027 targets. Our performance in the first half of the year, together with better visibility on the 2026 results reinforces our confidence. First, we guided for mid-single-digit growth in performing loans by 2026. Today, the loan book is growing by 5.5% year-on-year with very strong momentum. The same applies to on-balance sheet funds. We guided for growth of 3% to 4% in 2026, and we are already delivering 4.7% growth. Third, on NII, we said that the second quarter would mark the start of the recovery. That is exactly what we have seen. Looking ahead, we have clear levers to support continued revenue growth and achieve our year-end guidance. Fourth, efficiency measures continue to support cost discipline. In particular, as I mentioned, we expect around EUR 20 million of savings from the early retirement plan in the second half of the year. Core banking results are improving and jaws are starting to widen again as a result of the positive trend of our revenues and our costs. Widening jaws will be the key to keep improving our return on tangible equity, and we are confident that we will deliver what we committed for 2027, a return on tangible equity of 16%. I want to conclude with what matters most to shareholders, value creation. Over the last few years, we have increased shareholder value while reducing our share count. Since 2022, our share buyback programs have reduced the number of shares outstanding by around 15%. The new program we are announcing today will reduce it further, increasing the value of each remaining share. At the same time, shareholder value creation has grown steadily, measured through tangible book value per share plus cumulative dividends per share. Since 2022, this has delivered a compound annual growth rate of around 12%. Looking ahead, growing profitability, strong capital generation and our commitment to distribute capital provide a solid foundation to continue creating value. This is the rationale behind our shareholder remuneration strategy, combining attractive cash dividends with share buybacks in a sustainable and value-accretive way. In short, we are returning capital to shareholders while at the same time, increasing the value of each share through higher earnings, a lower share count and sustained capital generation. With that, let me hand it over to Sergio, who will walk you through the financial performance in more detail. Thank you, Sergio.

Sergio Alejandro Tome : Thank you, Marc, and good morning, everyone. Before going through the P&L, let me briefly address the one-offs in the quarter. The sale of TSB generated a gross capital gain of EUR 340 million, mainly booked under gains on sale of assets. We also recorded minus EUR 3 million from the FX hedge on the sale proceeds. Then we booked EUR 37 million of remaining nonrecurring costs from the early retirement plan and a EUR 45 million negative impact from the sale of a legacy equity stake to Cerberus with no capital impact, thanks to the associated risk-weighted assets reduction. In total, one-offs had a positive net impact of EUR 249 million in the second quarter and EUR 201 million in the first half. Turning to the financial results on Slide 16. Recurring return on tangible equity stands at 13.6%. This is fully consistent with our plan and keeps us on track to reach our 14.5% full year guidance. Let me now walk you through the main P&L lines. NII has clearly reached an inflection point. In the second quarter, it increased by 3.4%. The improvement was driven by 3 factors: EUR 16 million from customer NII supported by higher loan and deposit volumes, EUR 3 million from the day count effect and EUR 11 million from noncustomer NII, mainly due to the ECB deposit facility rate and excess liquidity from the TSB sale. Our key message is that NII has started to recover. Moving on to Slide 18. NII is evolving as expected. After bottoming in the first quarter, it recovered in the second quarter, and we expect further gradual improvement over the rest of the year. The ECB deposit facility rate assumption of 2.5% after the summer is not the main driver for 2026, given our low first-year sensitivity to rates. The more important driver is commercial activity. We expect loan volumes to grow at a mid-single-digit rate and on-balance sheet customer funds to grow by around 3% to 4%. Loan yields should continue to improve, while deposit costs should rise but more slowly. As a result, we expect customer margin to exceed 290 basis points by year-end, noncustomer NII to remain broadly stable and therefore, total NII to grow by more than 1% in 2026. On the next page, fees increased by 4% quarter-on-quarter, supported mainly by service fees. The strongest contributions came from payments, corporate and investment banking activity and seasonal effects, while asset management fees remain resilient. Looking ahead, we expect fees to continue improving, supported by higher activity in payments and other services, growth in assets under management and a stronger CIB activity. Overall, fees are performing well and remain aligned with our full year guidance. On cost, this quarter includes the final nonrecurring charges related to the efficiency measures in Spain, completing the early retirement plan launched in the previous quarter. Excluding these one-offs, recurring costs were broadly flat, reflecting continued discipline in personnel and administrative expenses. Year-on-year, recurring costs increased by 4.9%, mainly due to higher depreciation and amortization following the reclassification of the payments business in the fourth quarter of 2025. Adjusted for this effect, recurring cost increased by 3.8%. Importantly, half of the efficiency plan savings will already materialize in 2026. As a result, we're improving our cost guidance and now expect recurring cost growth below 3%. The widening jaws is the key driver of our expected profitability improvement. Revenues are accelerating, while costs remain under control. Core banking results have already started to recover in the second quarter, and we expect further improvement through 2026 and into 2027. This is what underpins our target of reaching a 16% RoTE by 2027. On the next slide, cost of risk stood at 40 basis points, fully in line with guidance. This reflects the resilience of our asset quality and the sound risk profile of the loan book. Credit cost of risk was 31 basis points. Total provisions included EUR 115 million of loan loss provisions, EUR 2 million of provision releases from real estate asset disposals, EUR 24 million of NPA management costs and EUR 15 million of other provisions. Looking ahead, we expect asset quality to remain strong and cost of risk to stay broadly stable at around 40 basis points. Let me now move to the balance sheet, covering asset quality, liquidity and solvency. Asset quality continues to improve. The NPL ratio declined by another 8 basis points in the quarter and by 34 basis points year-on-year. At the same time, the total coverage ratio remained broadly stable at around 70%. Stage 2 exposures continue to fall, down approximately EUR 1.5 billion over the last 12 months. Stage 3 exposures also declined, both in absolute terms and as a percentage of the portfolio. Net NPAs stood at just 0.7% of total assets. Overall, the credit profile remains resilient. Now moving to Slide 25. Our liquidity position remains strong. The loan-to-deposit ratio stood at 93%, while the net stable funding ratio was 131% and the liquidity coverage ratio 188%, both comfortably above regulatory requirements. On ratings, Fitch upgraded Sabadell's long-term rating to A- from AAA+ (sic) [ BBB+ ], reflecting its new criteria and our large resolution debt buffer. During the quarter, we executed 2 securitizations, a traditional cash securitization of consumer loans and a synthetic securitization of SME loans. In addition, our Mexican subsidiary completed its inaugural peso issuance equivalent to EUR 200 million, diversifying its funding sources. Following the sale of TSB, our funding needs are lower. The AT1 buffer is expected to normalize in 2027, while we will continue to manage MREL and liquidity buffers through opportunistic transactions. On the next slide, our CET1 ratio stood at 13.11%. This quarter, we generated 61 basis points of organic CET1 after AT1 coupons, added 3 basis points from fair value reserve adjustments and absorbed 18 basis points from risk-weighted asset growth, mainly driven by strong loan growth. The 60% dividend payout accrual reduced CET1 by 26 basis points. In summary, we grew the loan book by 3%, accrued a 60% payout and still generated 20 basis points of capital in the quarter. With that, I will hand back to Marc to conclude today's presentation.

Marc Dulcet : Thank you very much, Sergio. To close today's presentation, I'd like to highlight that we remain firmly on track to deliver our guidance. On core revenues, both NII and fees returned to growth this quarter as we were expecting. For NII, loans and deposits, we see continued growth. Customer margin has bottomed out and is expected to improve. And altogether, these trends support our guidance of more than 1% NII growth in 2026. Fees also returned to growth in the quarter, and we expect that momentum to continue in the second half of the year, ensuring our year-end guidance. On recurring costs, we have improved our guidance from around 3% to below 3%. Costs are performing as expected this year. And on top of that, we will benefit from the savings associated to the early retirement program, which will amount to EUR 20 million in the second half of the year. Asset quality also remains strong with a declining NPL ratio and cost of risk fully in line with our guidance of around 40 basis points. We expect cost of risk to remain broadly stable in the second half of the year. As a result, we remain on track to deliver our 2026 commitments and importantly, our profitability targets. 14.5% return on tangible equity this year and 16% in 2027. Finally, let me remind you once again that next week, we will launch our new EUR 331 million share buyback program. With that, let me hand back to Lluc for the Q&A section.

Lluc Sas : Perfect. Thank you, Marc. We will now open the Q&A session, and I would kindly ask you to limit your questions to a maximum of 2. So operator, could we open the line for the first question, please?

Francisco Riquel : Two questions. The first one is for the new CEO. I wonder if you can comment on your strategic priorities. You mentioned in the presentation that you want to leverage on technology and focus on high-value customers. If you can elaborate, the current strategic plan runs until '27. I also wonder if you want to present a new strategic plan and when? And then my second question is on deposits, which are growing below loans. You have changed your online offering. You're now remunerating balances up to EUR 100,000. You previously limited the remuneration to EUR 50,000. You said it was just a transactional account to gather new clients. I wonder what has changed if you now feel that you have to pay up for deposit gathering to manage the loan-to-deposit ratio or if there are other commercial reasons?

Marc Dulcet : Thank you, Francisco, for the questions. Let me start by answering the first one. My top priority when I landed was making sure and we see the results of that, that we would be able to deliver on the commitments we had on our strategic plan. And today, after kind of having been here already for a couple of months and a half, I kind of provide a message of reassuring that we will deliver on the 14.5% return on tangible equity that we committed. As you mentioned, we have a strategic plan that ranges from the period of 2025 to 2027. So we are halfway on delivering on this strategic plan, and this is going to be our top priority. While we do that, we obviously think about what comes next. And I briefly mentioned that in my introduction. We see a big opportunity in terms of leveraging on AI to improve the relationship with our customers to empower our relationship managers and provide them with technology to provide better service and better experience to our customers, and we will work on making this a reality. And at the same time, we also see a potential improvement on our internal processes. A lot of our processes will be rethought end-to-end to make sure that we grasp all the efficiency and all the benefit we can leveraging on AI. In terms of customer segments, I mean, I have been saying that since the very beginning when I landed. I believe that Banco Sabadell has a right to compete head-to-head with anybody in the high-value customer segments, and we will double down our investment and our effort to make this happen. In the long term, this will provide us probably with a less vulnerable position in front of new entrants, and it will kind of turn our P&L structure towards a more fee-based type of income in the future. So that's our strategic direction of travel. We will have the time to bring that into plans, and we will certainly, before the end of the -- at the end of the 2027 plan, provide a strategic new plan to the market. You also were asking about deposits and our online acquisition campaign. I'm just going to make a quick comment on that, just highlighting a couple of topics. Number one is we do have attractive acquisition campaigns in place that aim at acquiring the right profile of customer, but our intent is not to attract the funds. It is to make sure that we -- that the customers get to know us and we increase the level of loyalty in the future. And we have improved on doing that very much in the recent years. Now more than 50% of our online acquired customers for more than 50%, we are their main bank after 1 year of relationship, which speaks for this idea of we are not chasing -- we are not interested in price chasers. We are interested on a good profile of customers that we can develop in the future. And on top of that, let me just again call out that our cost of funds has remained stable for the quarter at 78 basis points, if I remind well. And I'm just going to hand it to Sergio in case you want to add something to the comments.

Sergio Alejandro Tome : Thank you, Marc. Just a brief comment from my side. As you said, we manage the cost of our different funding sources, and we combine our funding sources in order to finance the growth that we are actually enjoying. Volumes in the quarter were strong, more than EUR 3 billion of loan growth in the quarter, more than EUR 3 billion of customer funds growth in the quarter, but as anticipated, more skewed towards the off-balance sheet products. So as you said, more growth on loan than the deposits this quarter. This is -- it was largely anticipated. Our loan-to-deposit has moved from 92% to 93%. And this, again, is in line with our expectations. So we will keep combining our funding sources in deposit, EUR 86 billion are non-remunerated, linked to a stable and transactional current accounts. And then we have EUR 48 billion remunerated. And there, we attend or try to attend all the segments, so wholesale, retail deposits, online deposits with different pass-throughs, some higher, some medium. And all in all, we get to that 78 basis points of cost for deposits that, as Marc said, have been stable in the quarter and is around 30% pass-through that might even -- in terms of pass-through, if rates go up, might even decline a little bit. So thank you, Paco, for your question.

Lluc Sas : Okay. So can we move to the next question, please?

Maksym Mishyn : Two from me, please. The first one is the guidance on fees. If I recall in the last call, you indicated growth of closer to 4%. Are you more positive now saying mid-single digits? And if so, why? And the second one is on loan book growth. In the corporate segment, it has slowed year-on-year in the second quarter despite the pickup in the new production. What kind of outlook do you see for the second half of the year? And how does the mid-single-digit growth in loans look by segment for 2026?

Marc Dulcet : Thank you very much, Maks. On fees, we have seen -- I mean, I would say that underpinning our optimism, we have the strength [ we see ] on commercial momentum. And for that, I think the best way to look into that is to look at the quarter-on-quarter new production evolution, right? We are seeing a strong growth on fees of 4% Q2 versus Q1. And this is after we put in place many measures on Q1 to make sure that we would reach our levels of expected fees. These plans are well underway, and we see this kind of growing up throughout the year and getting us to that mid-single digit -- lower range of the mid-single-digit growth on fees. On the loan book growth, I'd say we are seeing, again, strong performance quarter-on-quarter on mortgages of 22%. Mortgages is a loan book that, as you all know, has -- I mean, it is very competitive. So we are managing carefully the balance between growth and levels of profitability, but we are seeing the growth that is reasonable for our market share, and we are preserving the franchise with good levels of profitability. We are seeing consumer loans growing strongly. The growth has been almost 10% this quarter, and we see this continuing to grow for the remainder of the year. And we see very strong growth on SMEs and corporates for the quarter. We have also put in place some measures to make sure that we grow more on the short-term loans for companies. But we see all this kind of taking off nicely, and we feel comfortable with the levels of guidance we have provided. I don't know, Sergio, if you want to add something else?

Sergio Alejandro Tome : No. I think it was a very complete answer. Thank you.

Lluc Sas : So yes, we can jump to the next question then.

Alvaro de Tejada : Welcome to these calls, Marc. And the kind of -- one of them is kind of a follow-up question and then one on provisions. On loan growth, Marc, you explained that you're not going to be chasing volumes, certainly not on pricing to be more precise, which makes all the sense. And you've just alluded to the good demand in corporate. Can you sort of maybe talk us through where that you're seeing that demand in corporate and which segments you're growing? And as we look forward, given the pricing discipline, are you going to -- should we expect you to gain market share, not gain market share focus? Sort of a bit of color on -- directionally on market share trends going forward given the trends we've seen in the last 18 months, just to set the expectations and in which sectors? And secondly, just maybe this is for Sergio, but on the provisions were slightly higher in Q2. Is there -- can you maybe talk us through why was that? Obviously, the NPLs are still coming down, but maybe there's a -- I noticed the coverage is down. Any color or is there any sort of model revisions, anything in there to explain or maybe the mix to explain why it was slightly higher?

Sergio Alejandro Tome : Maybe shall I get started with the second one with the provisions?

Marc Dulcet : Sure. Go ahead.

Sergio Alejandro Tome : Just to continue with Alvaro's question. Regarding provisions, when we look at the credit provisions in the second quarter, EUR 115 million and the first quarter EUR 94 million. We could say that those quarters look like combined, what should be the run rate going forward. So at the end of the day, there might be some adjustments quarter-on-quarter. This quarter, we updated again scenarios always on a prudent basis. That's what we do. Probably what -- something that you should not compare this quarter provisioning with is the levels of last year. In the second quarter of last year, we had -- we updated scenarios. And at that time, that came with a meaningful release, then we had releases in some segments. So I would say that, that was extraordinarily positive. While if we look at the combination of provisions in the first half, I think should give you a clue of provisioning going forward. We are currently at 40 basis points, and this is the last 12 months, and this is in line with our view of what's going to happen at the end of the year. We still expect some circa 40 basis points for the entire 2026. So I could say that for the year so far, we are running on what should be, I think, normal. And Marc, do you want to continue with the segments and the more detail that Alvaro is...

Marc Dulcet : Sure. Let me just call out a couple of things. Number one is we are seeing healthy growth on the Spanish economy. We are seeing low levels of indebtedness of both families and companies. So we are seeing growth opportunities, I would say, on -- across the different segments. Having said that, though, I'd say that on a year-on-year comparative basis, we see probably the biggest growth opportunity on consumer lending, where we see probably a double-digit opportunity for growth. We see on SMEs and corporates a mid-single-digit opportunity. We see on mortgages low to mid-single digit year-on-year in line with the system, although we are seeing some tensions in the market. And I would say that on our international franchise on Mexico and Miami, probably above mid-single digit at constant exchange. So we do see good opportunities across the board and more importantly than that, in a safe and sound manner. Thank you.

Lluc Sas : Okay. So let's move on to the next question, please.

Marta Sánchez Romero : So my first question is on something that Marc has mentioned. So you've got an ambition of a more fee-driven P&L, but the product factories to build that aren't obviously there. So what's missing? And absent capital constraints, which bolt-ons would fill the gap? And my second question is on credit and service fees. That line fell 5% year-on-year despite 5% volume growth. My question has 2 parts. What's driving the margin compression? Can you split the SRT cost versus rewards, competition, et cetera? And second is the pressure structural? Should we model it persisting or stabilizing from here?

Marc Dulcet : Thank you very much, Marta. I'm going to take the first one and pass the second one to Sergio. On the factories of products we do have, let me touch on the topic from 2 different perspectives. First, on the industrial case, I have no doubt whatsoever that this is the right model for Banco Sabadell. We have been very successful at growing our asset management business, at growing our insurance business and all the other businesses where we have partnered up with the right partner that have the expertise, the knowledge of the product and that can bring to our customers the best possible product given their expertise. So fully convinced that this is the right model on these parts of the business. When it comes to the levels of profitability and what does this look like in terms of our P&L, rest assured that we will explore any opportunity to improve this. The different agreements have different maturity dates, and we are exploring all the opportunities to make sure that we extract the most value out of each of these relationships. And Sergio, I'm going to turn it over to you for the second question.

Sergio Alejandro Tome : Thank you, Marc. We are not really sure what is the question about. I think you mentioned the -- let me just hold on for a second. Okay. I think, Marta, you were referring to some services fees and what's driving the change, but not sure what line is -- what line that is. So maybe we can follow after the call. I think you mentioned also about the potential cost of SRTs. Of course, SRTs come with a cost. The cash securitizations, they are -- the cost is recorded in the wholesale funding cost because those are securitization bonds that appear on the balance sheet. And then for the synthetic securitization, it's a cost that we record in the commissions line. So yes, the securitizations affect the revenues, either NII for cash or fees for synthetic. But it's very convenient. We are making them at a cost well below what we think is our cost of equity. And therefore, we intend to continue in doing that because we find that it's a clear optimization of both the risk and the capital allocation. And with this, maybe then if we did not -- then we can follow up if this was not precise what you were asking for. Thank you.

Lluc Sas : Sure, Marta. So happy to do a follow-up after the call if it's not answered. So let's move to the next question, please.

Cecilia Romero Reyes : My third one is on guidance. Just a clarification. Are you reiterating all of your 2027 targets today, not only RoTE? And then I have one in NII and cost of risk clarification. In terms of NII this quarter, treasury, ALCO and others contributed to EUR 11 million. How much of this was supported by the returns from the cash received from the TSB sale? Why I'm asking this is because you mentioned that noncustomer NII is supposed to stay stable. So I was just wondering what is compensated for the loss of that income during the rest of the year? Don't know if that's clear. Then on the cost of risk, you mentioned obviously that you expect cost of risk to stay stable for the rest of the year. So that the provisions that we have seen this quarter, are they the run rate for the remainder of the year? And I still don't understand that given the improving NPL ratio and as you mentioned, healthy economic backdrop with very minimal mortgage cost of risk, what are the key drivers preventing a faster decline in cost of risk from the current levels? Is that your consumer and SME growth ambition?

Marc Dulcet : Thank you very much, Cecilia, I'm going to take the first one and leave the second one for Sergio. We are ratifying our guidance for 2027 with a return on tangible equity of 16%. We are not providing the breakdown at this point in time. We usually do that by the end of the year before the year comes, and we will definitely do that this time again.

Sergio Alejandro Tome : Yes, exactly, although we are confident on the different lines. And then for your -- the detailed question on the contribution of the sale of TSB -- it has added EUR 4 million, the gap between the proceeds that we received at the end of April and then the extraordinary dividend that we pay at the end of May. That was 1 month that we were able to hold more than EUR 2.4 billion at the ECB deposit facility. So that was EUR 4 million. And then I think you were also asking for the provisioning, whether the second quarter provisioning looks like the run rate going forward. And I mentioned that I could say it's more the combined between the first quarter and the second quarter. So the first half of the year level of provisioning to me looks like the running level, which if you make up the numbers and take into account that the loan book is actually going up on a relative basis, we are still expecting a 40 basis points cost of risk for the whole 2026. And you mentioned the growth of mortgages, but I think you're spot on. The mix is changing a little bit because we are expecting mortgages to grow low -- maybe mid-single digit, but I would say low single-digit growth on mortgages, while SMEs and corporate loans, mid-single digit and consumer loans double digit. So the mix is also changing a little bit. We have captured that or we have intended to capture that in our model and our model captures that. And we expect those 40 basis points for the year. Thank you.

Lluc Sas : Shall we move to the next question, please?

Ignacio Ulargui : I just have 2 questions. One is on asset management and insurance fees. If I just look to the performance in the quarter, these are down quarter-on-quarter despite the good performance in off-balance sheet funds. So I just wanted to get a bit of a sense of how should we think about this asset management fees going forward? And if within the guidance you have, any performance fees included into the fourth quarter? The second one is on the ALCO portfolio. And how should we think about the contribution of the bond portfolio going forward? And if you could remind us the sensitivity to higher rates?

Marc Dulcet : Thank you very much, Ignacio. I'm going to leave both questions to Sergio.

Sergio Alejandro Tome : Thank you, Marc. I think they are quite detailed questions, yes. Regarding the expected performance in asset management and insurance, we -- in the second half of the year, we expect an increasing contribution of the asset management in particular, linked with volumes. And if we are -- in the guidance, we're expecting success fees, the answer is yes, level similar to the one that we had previous year because we think that is the sort of more reasonable assumption that the success fees will be in line with the previous year. And then regarding ALCO and ALCO contribution, you've seen that ALCO has been -- has decreased a little bit. We have managed to reinvest the bonds that we sold to Santander, the MREL TSB bonds. In the ALCO portfolio, 30% of the book is swapped to Euribor 6. So this portion will reprice with Euribor 6, this 30%. So we expect an increase in yield going forward. And then we can increase the book as we increase the balance sheet and the front -- and the new investments, the yield of the new investments are actually higher than the ones on the book. So both because of repricing and new investments, we expect more contribution going forward of the ALCO book.

Lluc Sas : So operator, could we have the next question, please?

Britta Schmidt : Just a follow-up on the ALCO portfolio. It looks that it's grown in non-EU governments and agencies. Maybe you can give us a little bit of color as to what you have invested in. And I was wondering whether you could also share the volumes and yields of what will be maturing in the second half on the EUR 800 million, but then also for 2027 and 2028 in that book. And then a couple of clarifications. You mentioned the seasonality this quarter. Could you tell us what the loan growth would have been without the seasonality in Spain? A follow-up on the service fee. I think Marta was probably referring to Slide 19, where we can see the service fees year-on-year declining quite a bit. And following on from a discussion around structural pressure from new entrants, how do you think you will need to position yourself with regards to the mix of asset management insurance versus service fees in the future? And then lastly, I'm sorry, there's just one little request that I have. There is a big difference in the lending yield in customer and deposit costs or the customer spread between the international business and the Spanish business. You hopefully give us the deposit cost in Spain, but maybe you can also break up the lending yield in Spain so that we can track this a little bit separately.

Sergio Alejandro Tome : Thank you, Britta, for your questions. Regarding the ALCO where the investments that are eligible for us have not changed. We do invest in sovereigns, mainly Spain, and then we diversified into other sovereigns, traditionally a bit of Italy, a bit of Belgium, a bit of France. And then we -- on top of this, we might invest in other very high-quality names like supranationals, KfW and these type of names. So this is the type of -- is very -- I mean, I would say it's top asset quality because it's a portfolio that looks into the rates. It's a bet on rates and a bit of a spread because of the maturity, but it's top quality. So there is no credit exposure -- meaningful credit exposure, I would say, away from the sovereigns in this portfolio. Regarding the seasonality of the loan book, yes, there is some seasonality in the quarter because of the payments of some of the payments to retirement people -- retired people. I think this is adding in our case, some 60 basis points on the growth, 60 basis points on the growth. And it happens every year, and I think it happens to all of every bank, right? Then regarding the lending yields and deposit cost in Spain, I don't have that information right in front of me, but we can't share that with you or look for it. And regarding the fees, yes, as you mentioned, we do adapt our fee scheme to the competition that we see. Of course, the level of service fees in the past went down because those fees were very high when interest rates were negative. It was a way that we found to pass on negative interest rate to our customers. And since rates are higher and higher and in order to preserve customers and balances, we have been happy to reduce those fees and be attractive for customers and balances. That's already taken into account, of course, in the performance of the quarter and in the guidance of the year. The driver this quarter, as we mentioned, has been the pickup in payments that was, of course, weak in the first quarter, lower payments in the first quarter. And then as we have already discussed, the other contributors, and going forward, we acknowledge those levels of competition for services that are connected also in a way with the level of rates and the more value that we found in the balances in the accounts. And -- but still, we are confident that we can meet the targets that we have been sharing with you.

Lluc Sas : Right. So just to clarify, the loan yield in Spain actually remained stable Q-on-Q, and it's currently at 3.23%. So we can jump to the next question. Thank you.

Ignacio Cerezo Olmos : Welcome Marc to this presentation. The first one is on -- specifically on the Intrum joint venture. If you can give us your view basically about future developments actually after it expires, I think, is next year. And the second one is on the percentage of remunerated deposits. We have seen an improvement this quarter actually in terms of the weight of non-remunerated. Do you expect this trend to continue? Or we should we expect actually an increase of the remunerated deposit within the mix?

Marc Dulcet : Thank you very much, Ignacio. On the first question, we are currently analyzing all the options and kind of taking a balanced approach between the quality of service and the cost of the service. So we will share with you more when we make our mind clear. So we cannot say yet. We are looking at it, and we will find out soon. On the percentage on remunerated deposits, I think there is some seasonality on the behavior of this quarter. We have mentioned that we have kept stable the mix of non-remunerated versus remunerated deposits this quarter. And as I was saying before, we are paying close attention to the acquisition path and how do we make sure that we bring the customers to transactional customers and to main banker customers, and we are making big improvements on that. So we kind of pay close attention to that, and we are seeing promising numbers on the evolution of this.

Lluc Sas : Perfect. So let's move to the next question, please.

Borja Ramirez Segura : I have 2 questions, please. Firstly, on capital distribution, could you kindly remind us of the dividend policy? So will you be paying an interim dividend later this year? And if possible, also the split between dividends and buybacks of the distribution? And linked to this, if you could please remind us on your strategy on M&A?

Marc Dulcet : Sure. Thank you very much, Borja. On the capital distribution policy, the Board has currently approved a policy to distribute -- to kind of pay out between 40% and 60% of the profit. As you know, we have announced today EUR 331 million share buyback that is part of the remuneration to shareholders as an interim payment for the 2026 results. And our plans -- I mean -- and on -- sorry, on top of this 40% to 60% payout, we are committed to distribute any excess over the 13% of capital ratio, and this policy has remained unchanged. So we should expect 3 payments throughout the year, 1 interim -- 2 interims and 1 complementary once the results get announced for the year.

Sergio Alejandro Tome : And Borja was also asking about M&A policy or M&A intentions or M&A...

Marc Dulcet : I mean on M&A policy, also our vision remains unchanged, I would say. We recognize that scale is important. We see that there might be some room at some point in time for further consolidation on the midsized banks in Spain. But at the same time, while we recognize that this could be beneficial, we do not see any opportunity whatsoever with the current conditions. Everybody has very strong stand-alone plans. And we don't see the conditions happening for any of this to change in the near future. Thank you.

Lluc Sas : Okay. So let's go to the next question, please.

Andrea Filtri : Actually, all of my questions have been answered already.

Lluc Sas : Andrea, thank you. Let's move then to the next question.

Carlos Peixoto : Most of my questions have also been answered, but in any case, there's a final one, and apologies if you have touched this already, but I was just looking at the evolution of the deposits in the quarter, and there's a significant -- there's a decline in deposits in the quarter. I know that overall balance sheet customer balance sheet funds increased, but I was wondering here what were the drivers for this change and whether this was related with pricing, why didn't we really see -- why didn't we see anything or saw any particular savings in terms of deposit costs? Just to try to understand the blend between these 2 items.

Marc Dulcet : Thank you, Carlos. I'm going to ask Sergio to take this one.

Sergio Alejandro Tome : Carlos, thank you for your question. The decrease is connected with some repo activity. So customers deposit have actually increased in the quarter and the variations that you see in that line of the balance sheet is coming from some repos that are recorded in that same line and sometimes provide this volatility. But as you can see in the presentation, the deposit customers, on-balance sheet customers and off-balance sheet customers, both have grown in the quarter. Thank you.

Lluc Sas : Okay. So we've got one final question. Operator, please.

Sofie Caroline Peterzens : Yes. I'm Sofie from Goldman Sachs. Just sorry, going back to the fee growth. So fees were down 1% half-on-half and you guide for mid-single-digit fee growth. This back of the envelope implies double-digit fee growth half-on-half in the second half, but also like around 10%, 11% year-on-year in the second half. So is this really like fair to assume that fee growth will be this high in the second half? So if you could just confirm that. And then the second question is also going back a little bit on the cost of risk. Could you just split out how much of the cost of risk this quarter was from the scenario updates and how much was kind of underlying cost of risk? And then the final question is on AT1s. Could you just comment on how we should think about Sabadell's AT1 costs going forward?

Marc Dulcet : Thank you, Sofie. I'm going to take the first one. I mean, I can't just provide assurance that we have visibility on the measures that we put in place on Q1 to make sure that we reach our guidance on fees. We are fully on track with this, and we expect to deliver on the mid-single-digit growth by the end of the year. Yes, probably -- and we mentioned that on the lower end of the range, but still mid-single digit. And I'm going to hand it to Sergio for the other 2.

Sergio Alejandro Tome : Exactly. Thank you, Sofie. Regarding the cost of risk provisioning in the quarter, yes, we updated the scenarios. We changed the probability as we shared with you in the first quarter, and that change in probabilities came with EUR 20 million increase. So again, I think this -- I think I've said this already during the presentation. And I think the combination of -- so the level of provisioning that we have seen in the first half of the year looks to us like a recurrent level going forward. We're not seeing any deterioration in the portfolio. As you can see, the NPL ratio is actually going down. even with a decrease in the total volume of Stage 3 balances and given that the book is bigger, then the ratio is actually improving. And for AT1, AT1 at the end of the day, what we have always said is that our idea is to fulfill the buckets. Today, we have an excess in AT1 because we sold TSB. And of course, it's going to take a bit of time until we have the maturities of -- some of the maturities of the instruments in order to normalize. So we expect that during 2027, given that we have some maturities in AT1, we will have the levels of AT1 connected with the -- what's the name?

Marc Dulcet : Bucket.

Sergio Alejandro Tome : Bucket. Thank you. That was the word that fulfills the bucket. So that's the idea to fulfill the bucket.

Lluc Sas : Excellent. So with that, we conclude our presentation for today. Thank you, Marc and Sergio, and thank you all for participating. If you have any further questions, the Investor Relations team will be happy to help. Have a great day and a wonderful summer.

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