Earnings Call Transcripts
Daniël Pretorius: Okay. It's 10:00. I suggest we start. Good morning, everyone. Thank you very much for join us today for this presentation. Before we start, I just want to pause for a moment to remember a very good friend and adviser of ours, John Weber, who was as long as I've been with the company, he was one of our professional advisers, attorney with the Cliffe Dekker Hofmeyr, who passed away the week before last. After he was very, very sick. So we will remember him, and he was a valuable -- he was a dear friend and a valuable service provider. All right. So it's a privilege again to be presenting to you today. This is the 19th time that I've been doing this, the year-end results or that I was part of the team that presented the year-end results. Some of you were there the very first time, many new faces. I'm joined today by my colleagues, Henriette, who's our CFO; and Jaco, who's our Chief Operating Officer. And then there are also several members of senior management who are here. So please afterwards, we have to eat the food. It's expensive food, so we can't leave before it's been -- all of it's been eaten. So please ask some questions if you want any clarification on anything. We will be around for a few minutes after the presentation. Please also just take note there's the customary disclaimer. So there will be forward-looking statements in this presentation and some of those forward-looking statements are based or those forward-looking statements rather are based on assumptions and some of those assumptions we don't have control over. So just be mindful in the interpretation of those that there are contingent upon a number of factors that we don't necessarily control. It's been a very good year for DRDGOLD. It is the 19th consecutive financial year where we'll be paying a dividend. And the final cash dividend for the year is ZAR 1.20 per share, which is just over ZAR 1 billion, which was roughly the market cap of the company when I first did the presentation 19 years ago. And that was as a consequence of a number of factors working together. And obviously, in order to have the revenues and the cash flows from which you could pay this cash dividend, you need the production. So production was pretty pleasing. We managed to come in just below the 5 tonnes of production and 5 tonnes is prominent because you would have seen it in our communications when we talk about Vision '28. And what was pleasing in particular was the fact that it was roughly 5,000 ounces higher than the higher end of guidance for the year. And that was because of what I thought was very smart management of the throughput mix of the material going into the mix. You'll see that we achieved an average yield of just under 0.2 gram per tonne, which was a 2% increase. So the plants were working very efficiently. Obviously, the big role player this year was the increase in the gold price and being a deliberately unhedged producer of gold, we've never hedged with the exception of a very small period of time when we needed to protect cash flows in order not to test some of the ratios that form part of a financial arrangement that we had at the time. This was in 2018 when we built Far West Gold. We've never hedged and deliberately so. So we were in a position to take full advantage of the 40% increase in gold price. And that translated into revenue for the year of just over ZAR 11 billion, a 42% increase in revenue. Cash operating cost for the year was just under ZAR 1 million a kilo, which was also better than guidance. And a 7% increase year-on-year, which considering the number of double-digit increases that form part of the cost basket of [ gold ] production in South Africa, I think was testimony to some really good cost discipline. Cash operating costs, a slightly higher increase of 10% at ZAR 188 per tonne. And that is because there was a larger component of trucking that still form part of the cost composite this year. And in the current climate, trucking your high-grade material, expanding the higher costs in order to truck those cleanup materials and remnant materials is always a good idea because of the higher grade that invariably form part of those tonnes. And at the current gold price, it does offer a very attractive margin. If the gold price decreases, then obviously, that margin shrinks and you lose some of that gearing. So you do want to take advantage of the higher gold price and truck in some more materials. And there will be some of that also in the year going forward. The trucking will be part of the profile of the throughput profile for the foreseeable future. That obviously then translates into your operating profit, so ZAR 6.4 billion in operating profit, an 83% increase. That's a very nice number, which informs your headline earnings, ZAR 4.2 billion in headline earnings, an 89% increase. Free cash flow, which is a very important parameter for us because as a dividend-paying company, Cash generating cash is a very important measure of -- internal measure of our efficiency. So to have generated ZAR 2.2 billion in free cash flow was very pleasing. That was an 85% increase, and that was after capital expenditure of ZAR 3.5 billion for the year. Jaco will take you through some of the capital spend this year as well as the capital planned for the next 2 years. And it's an important number to remember because we're talking final dividend of just more than ZAR 1 billion against free cash flow of ZAR 2.2 billion and capital expenditure of ZAR 3.5 billion. And remember, a big part of our story of the Vision '28 story is that at some point in the future, this number is going to become considerably smaller, the ZAR 3.5 billion capital expenditure. Whilst at the time, hopefully, that number if the gold price holds up, will not have shrunk or will not have diminished significantly. In fact, it could be significantly higher because remember, we're targeting about a tonne of additional gold production. These margins is the margin, the cash margin, these margins potentially also if everything stays the same, could potentially also remain very favorable. And then as a dividend-paying company, start factoring in a substantial portion of that into what's available for your dividend. And that's the DRD promise. That's really what we're working towards at this stage. And we're hoping that it will find its way into how share price is being interpreted at some stage over the next few years as we get closer and nearer to completion of Vision 28 subparts. So my point #9, that was the free cash flow. Point #10, that's the capital expenditure. My point # 11 is on the sustainability. This did not come at the cost of our people. This did not come at the cost of the health and the well-being of our people because you see that trend is still a good one from 1.65 to 1.25 0.8 to 0.7 on those lost injury scales and ratios. And that also is not coincidental. Obviously, we're very aware of the fact that sometimes there are near misses where it's only the amount of time that you spend on your knees that saves you from something really bad, but we're also very deliberately focused on how we manage safety and improving safety awareness amongst staff. Some of the other sustainability measures that we enjoy sharing because sustainable development is core to our business is the usage of potable water. Many, many years ago, I forget how many years ago it was. It may have been 15 years, it may have been 18 years. We very deliberately took the decision to reduce potable water usage by 10% every year. And that trend, if you follow our reporting on our integrated reports over the years, you'll see that trend has been healthy, and it's taken us to a point now where very little of our processed water is actually potable water. And once again, you saw 900 million liters of water -- potable water saving this year, 23% decrease, also a very deliberate part of our sustainable development value pursuit. Carbon emissions is an important one. So only -- well, still a lot 233,000 tonnes of carbon that went into the atmosphere because of our activities, but that's down from 303,000 tonnes of last year. And that's because of the -- obviously, because of the solar farm. We haven't stopped. We still have other ambitions with regards to renewable power. We've spoken about some of those in the past. But I think we're on a good trend here with the solar farm really working really, really well. And we're seeing that both in the bottom line as well as in the natural dividend that we're in pursuit of. I think that's what I'm going to talk to in terms of the first slide, there's obviously quite a lot more detail that my colleagues will talk about as we go forward. So you can report these numbers if you produce. And at this stage, we are in an interim phase. We are in a phase where we are managing volume throughput because we need to manage our tailings dams very, very carefully in order to stay within the prescribed safety factors. Some of those are prescribed, some of them are self-imposed, but it's important that we stick to those. And therefore, we are not sweating our tailings storage facilities. You saw earlier this week again, a report of things going wrong on the tailings dam, and that is just the unimaginable from our perspective. So tonnes are deliberately kept at 25 million tonnes between the 2 operations. The yields have been good. And those yields are good for 2 reasons. It's both the blend and also plant efficiency. Both of our plants are operating extremely well. And the big thing for us this year as well is that everything that we're producing, that one part of the process where we are most vulnerable, where our products that it's most concentrated, namely when it goes into the smelt house, that is now universally treated at our own facilities, which was a big milestone for us, and Jaco will talk more about that. They get to talk about all the good stuff, the numbers and all the projects and so forth. So I'll flip some of it in here and there. But anyway, the yields were good, and we saw that in the production numbers as well. That is now on the Ergo side. Far West Gold, similar, that volume line is a flat line. It's managed very, very carefully and deliberately. The yields have been pretty good, and that's as we're getting into a slightly deeper part of dam #3. So as you go deeper into the dam, gold migrating to the bottom, obviously, your yields do pick up. And you could see it's sort of back to where it was when we were at the [ tail end ] of the #5 and some of those materials were still being dribbled into the bigger mix. And then production bang on target, 674 kilos for the last half year and just over 1.3 tonnes for the financial year. And then on a group basis, these are numbers that you'll see in more detail when Henriette talks to the numbers, but the volumes for the 2 operations combined, just on 25 million tonnes. The yield is just under 0.2 gram a tonne, which is a good number for us. We're hoping to sustain that going forward. And then production just under 5 tonnes for the year. So on that note, I'll hand over to Henriette to take you through some of the financial numbers.
Henriette Hooijer: Okay. Thank you, Niël. So maybe just to start off with, it's my privilege to present these excellent financial results that we have achieved during financial year 2026. Just a huge thank you from our side. I mean, we couldn't have done it if we didn't have the exceptional teams that we have in DRDGOLD. So from the operational guys straight through finance team, putting this all together and our support services. Each of us have our role to play, and I believe we've done it exceptionally well this year. Okay. If we move Group operating, sorry. Ergo financial results. So Ergo had an exceptional last 6 months to the financial year. They increased their gold production with about 150 kilograms of the 6 months versus the next 6 months and really taking advantage of that excellent gold price that we saw in the last 6 months of just about ZAR 2,460,000 per kilogram average. Ergo ended their revenue at ZAR 8.1 billion for financial year 2026 in comparison to ZAR 5.7 billion last year. This was mostly due to the gold price increase of 40% that Niël already alluded to, but also a 1% increase in gold sold. Then if we look at the cash operating cost slide, Ergo overall cash operating costs increased 7% year-on-year, [indiscernible] all of the things that Niël already mentioned. So I mean, we had a massive oil price increase during the last few months. That influences our machine, our trucking expenses, reagent costs, we saw some exceptional high increases on carbon specifically, cyanides, we had to use the briquettes, which is more expensive. All in all, though, cash operating costs well maintained. If you just look at unit costs on the Ergo side. So ZAR 1,120,000 per kilogram in comparison to ZAR 1,060,000 per kilogram last year, which is a 6% increase. Then that excellent operating profit trend that you can see there, Ergo more than doubled their operating profit from ZAR 2 billion last year to ZAR 4.1 billion in the current financial year. On the Far West side, also a very stable operation, as you could have seen from the operating trends, performing always on budget, on target, in expectation. So they -- Ergo Far West increased their revenue by -- from ZAR 2.2 billion last year to ZAR 3.1 billion in the current financial year, and that was mostly due to a 40% increase in the gold price. Cash operating costs increased by 10% from ZAR 674 million last year to ZAR 744 million in the current financial year. As I already -- I think I mentioned it a few times, -- Far West is in a different operating cycle to Ergo. It is growing. It is getting ready for this expansion project, more labor hire. It is an older plant, only 2 sites operating, of which one is a cleanup site, Driefontein 5. This trend increase in cost is expected to continue next year until we see the upside of that Vision 2028, 1.2 million tonnes per month kicking in. But again, ending up in a very healthy profit margin, ZAR 1.5 billion to ZAR 2.3 billion in the current financial year. This is a very high-margin operation. So 76% profit margin, which is exceptional operating profit margin. Just even with the increase in the gold price, this is still an operation running at ZAR 561,000 per kilogram cash operating cost and an all-in sustaining cost of ZAR 639,000 per kilogram. So if that operation can maintain this, this will be a very successful operation going forward. Okay. If we move to the operating trends, very healthy operating margin, all-in sustaining cost margin, cash flow, Niël already alluded to some of these excellent results that we've seen. But our operating margin last year, 45% in comparison to 58% in the current financial year. All-in sustaining cost margin, 39% for last year in comparison to 53% for this current financial year. In free cash flow, Niël stole a bit of my thunder with regards to the free cash flow, but this is a number that we are always very proud of. Your operating activities minus your investing activities. So yes, that increased by 85% from ZAR 1.2 billion last year to ZAR 2.3 billion in this year. And just to stand still, this is one of the reasons that we could declare that ZAR 1.20 per share dividend. So if you take that interim dividend into account of ZAR 0.50 per share, we paid out 65% of our free cash flow or we declared 65% of our free cash flow for the financial year 2026. Just then headline earnings per share, also a nice upward trend, ZAR 261 per share last year to ZAR 492 in this year. This then all translated into a very healthy statement of profit and loss. If you look at that revenue line, ZAR 7.9 billion, increasing to ZAR 11.2 billion. Again, just taking into account the 40% increase in the gold price, but also standing still on what Niël said. So we really did not expect to have a production year as we are. You would have seen our production guidance was quite lower than the previous year. So to achieve that 5,500 ounces is quite substantial. If you look at the cost of sales line, that increased 9% year-on-year. I already explained some of the increases in cash operating costs. Other than that, depreciation increased. And we had -- last year, we had a big credit of ZAR 98 million relating to our change in estimate in our provisions, which we didn't have in this current financial year. Administrative expenses and other costs, it's increased relating to our single incentive and our long-term incentive. The share price that's increased. Then going into finance income increased due to our cash balances. That's much more in this current financial year, although we didn't actually get a dividend from Rand Refinery, which was about ZAR 56 million last year. So that cash balance increase would have looked even better if we had that ZAR 56 million dividend from Rand Refinery again. Finance expenses mostly related to our unwinding on our provision for environmental rehabilitation. That takes us then to a very healthy profit before tax of ZAR 5.9 billion in comparison to ZAR 3.1 billion. Income tax, quite a decline. If you look at that, most of that relates to deferred tax, which I'll just stop on the statement on the balance sheet. But we also paid about ZAR 490 million in tax, mostly relating to Ergo due to the profitability of that operation and the CapEx that we actually used during the year. Okay. Statement of profit -- the balance sheet, excellent balance sheet, again, debt free. I don't think we thought in 2024 when we actually undertook this debt facility at Nedbank that we would be in the position that we are in today. But yes, standing still on property, plant and equipment, nice increase, ZAR 8.5 billion last year to ZAR 11.9 billion, showing that ZAR 3.5 billion reinvestment in capital that we incurred mostly for Vision 2028. Investments in rehabilitation and other funds increased nicely with our interest. Maybe just to highlight, included in there or most of that balance actually is our Guard Risk and Cell Captive that's ring-fenced for rehabilitation. And during the current year, we actually celebrated going over the ZAR 1 billion mark for that environmental trust fund, which is an amazing achievement. If you look at other investments, most of that relates to our 11% investment in Rand Refinery, which is measured at fair value. We had a ZAR 220 million uplift in fair value that went through that through that account. In cash and cash equivalents, I will just highlight when we go through the cash flow statement. Other current assets, fairly stable year-on-year. Maybe just to highlight that included in that balance, we've got ZAR 117 million receivable from Sibanye, which relates to the Kloof 2 dump transfer. So we expect to receive that money regarding the environmental trust funds as soon as all regulatory approvals have been obtained. Then moving over to liabilities, provision for environmental rehabilitation. That increase that you see there from ZAR 558 million to ZAR 721 million mostly relate to updated quotes that we got for demolition that was quite more substantial than what we expected. But then also the expansion on the Far West side. So DP 2, doubling up that plant and the RTSF increased that balance quite substantially. Then our single biggest liability on our balance sheet, that ZAR 2.9 billion deferred tax asset, which grown quite substantially during the year. And this balance will continue to grow as we spend capital and as we remain profitable. Included in that balance is actually a rate change. So our weighted average rate for Ergo increased from 25% to 27%, and then on the Far West side from 29% to 30% that had a ZAR 150 million swing in that line. Current liabilities is fairly stable, increasing a little bit just due to our accelerated capital spend. Okay. If we move over to the cash flow statement and what a beautiful statement this is. Net cash inflow from operating activities, ZAR 3.5 billion last year to ZAR 5.7 billion this year, mainly driven by that cash generated from the operations of ZAR 6 billion. Finance income received. So there, you can nicely see the increase in finance expenses of finance income that we actually received from the banks. No dividends received. Finance expenses paid very small and the income tax that I already alluded to. Net cash outflow from investing activities, where you can see that ZAR 3.5 billion that we spent. I believe this is in the past 20 years anyway, the biggest capital reinvestment program that we have done in 1 year. So quite substantial amount. Then environmental rehabilitation payments, although small, we're very proud of always continuously, concurrently rehabilitating our mining site. So that is money spent on the Brakpan, on cladding on Brakpan and on our Driefontein facilities. And then proceeds from assets held for sale, I'm sure you're already all aware of the NOA and -- that we sold NOA in December. So that's just the proceeds that we received from that sale. Dividends paid, that ZAR 780 million relate to our final dividend that we paid last year of ZAR 0.40 and our interim dividend of ZAR 0.50 that we declared earlier this year, ending up in an increase of ZAR 1.5 billion to a closing cash and cash equivalents balance of 2.8 -- just under ZAR 2.8 billion. I'll hand over to Jaco to take us through Vision 2028.
Wilhelm Schoeman: Thanks, everybody. I would just like to agree with what Henriette has just said to the operational staff and even our contractors and our consultants all the way through to the Board. I think everybody right from the cleaning staff to the top -- to the Board, everybody had to fire on all cylinders to achieve the results. It feels like you've got to celebrate the wins. So hopefully, this feels like the Springboks will win on Saturday 50-0. So that's the feeling we get here. But yes, it's a privilege to present the operational results to you of everybody's hard work. That's just a picture of Daggafontein, which we'll speak to just now. So just to remind you of the 5 projects that makes up Vision 2028. 2 of them at Ergo, #1 and 5 and then 2, 3 and 4 at Far West. The first one is Daggafontein. That is a tailings storage facility, which we have commissioned, and I'll talk about that a little bit later on. And that is at an estimated cost of about ZAR 0.5 billion, and that is to reduce the deposition capacity or deposition rate onto Brakpan by approximately 750,000 tonnes per month. Second one at Ergo, I'm going to jump to #5 is Withok. So the Withok tailings dam, that one is still in the authorization phase. And the purpose of that one is for us to get off the Brakpan tailings dam in totality in conjunction with Ergo and to then maintain the deposition capacity for the Ergo operations, and that is at approximately ZAR 3 billion. Then 2, 3 and 4 is actually 1 project with 3 different legs to it. The first one is the DP2 plant expansion. And that is essentially doubling up of the existing capacity of 600,000 tonnes to 1.2 million tonnes. And we'll talk a little bit about that, and that's at an estimated ZAR 1.9 billion. Then the pipelines for DP2 to RTSF, that's the deposition site, but then also the Libanon reclamation station. In total, approximately 135 kilometers of pipeline. And then that is at a cost of ZAR 1.2 billion. And then the RTSF, which I think you all know about by now, one of the biggest, largest tailings dams constructed on a liner in the world, 800 million tonnes facility. We're approximately 2/3 through the construction of this facility. But again, we'll go through that at a cost of about ZAR 3.5 billion, ZAR 3.4 billion. All right. So just an update quickly at Ergo, Daggafontein, as I've mentioned to you, very proud to say that in June, we started commissioning of the tailings dam, and we have achieved the rate that we expect to achieve, which is 25,000 tonnes per day, which gives us the 750,000 tonnes per month. This facility gives us an additional capacity of about 120 million tonne deposition onto this facility. Together with Withok, it will sustain our mining operation for 21 years at Ergo. Now Withok, as mentioned to you, that's currently in the authorization phase. We've completed our public participation process. Our design engineer and his team has been approved by the Dam Safety Office. And then our environmental authorization, waste management license as well as the water use license has been submitted to the department, and we are awaiting approval of this. We hope to obtain these approvals by the end of this year. If we can achieve that, we then aim to complete construction of Withok during 2029. And that will make sure that we then on to Withok. Withok is about 310 million tonnes deposition capacity. So between the 2 of them, it will then sustain us for the last -- for the 21-year life of mine of Ergo going forward. On to Far West, again, very happy that we've ticked the box on DP2 plant. On the 14th of July, we commissioned the smelt house, which is one section of the plant and also produced our first gold bar from this facility. I'm glad to see [ Kevin ] is also here. It was a gold bar, not a copper bar. And we do expect to have the balance of this plant commissioned by -- during this quarter. Just bear in mind that once we've got this plant commissioned, it doesn't mean that we're going to immediately go up to the 1.2 million tonnes. So we're going to commission this plant, move over to this plant, operate this plant and then do some refurbishment and maintenance work on the old plant so that once RTSF is ready to take the full 1.2 million tonnes, we can then fire up both plants. So we will maintain that 500,000 tonnes per month throughput capacity until we're ready with RTSF to deposit on to that one. The pipelines, we were waiting specifically for the water use license for the Libanon reclamation pump station, and that we have received during July. So another obstacle is out of the way. And we're about 95% complete with the pipelines. and we can now start with the construction of the Libanon reclamation station to be able to put us into a position where we can produce the 1.2 million tonnes of material to RTSF. RTSF, as of 30 June, we were about 2/3 through the construction. And that's the picture you can see in the background. Obviously, hopefully, I don't stuff this up. So there you can see the black, that's the liner. This is a starter wall going around. And for those of you that did not -- that missed it in July, we provided the market with a full market update, and we spent some significant time on explaining the technicalities around the RTSF. If you want to just review that, you're more than welcome. It's on the website. But this facility, we do hope to have available so that we can do the full 1.2 million tonnes in quarter 1 of the 2028 financial year. We have mentioned during the market update that we obviously are aiming to achieve beneficial occupation a lot sooner. But depending on what the weather does and how it rains, we will then make an informed decision before we start up that facility in all earnest. It's, as I've mentioned to you, one of the biggest in the world. It provides a 35-year life of mine for the operations, and it doesn't help us compromising this facility at any given point in time. So hence, being very, very prudent in starting this facility up. All right. And I just want to spend a little bit of time on this slide. I think what you can see here is that 2026 this year was our peak capital spending year. This was also the year, a very important year for us as operational teams and well done again to the projects team. This year, we had to hit a few milestones. If we missed these milestones, we would have made it very, very difficult for ourselves to achieve the final time lines. So -- and they've done so by making sure that DP2 has been started up or completed and commissioned as well as Daggafontein. So what you can see here is that the majority being spent obviously on DP2 expansion and then RTSF going forward. You can see the DP2 is very, very little, just essentially rollovers. We get the UFR, which is the upflow reactors part of DP2. And this is specifically technology aimed at improving recoveries, which we're implementing on that specific plant. You can see we continue with RTSF spending, and that will also run over into 2028. But then we also intend to bring hopefully some of Withok expenditure online during the later part of this financial year. And then very important, that will continue then to 2028 and 2029. So although we're about halfway through our capital expenditure program, a very, very important year for us. And as a team, very important milestones to achieve to set us up for achieving the balance of our requirements going forward. And then last slide, just on reserves and resources. You'll see that we depleted our reserves with about, call it, 23 million tonnes of material that we've treated. But we've made that up by bringing online Kloof 2, which provides us with about 67 million tonnes. So overall, increasing the mineral reserves with about 4 years added to the life of mine of Far West Gold recovery. I'm going to hand back to Niël. Since he's a farmer, we specifically have the [ sheep up ] there for you [ Niël ].
Daniël Pretorius: Yes. Is that yours? Thanks, Jaco. Yes, we've got to have some sheep in any presentation worth its salt. So these guys keep the grass short at the solar farm. You can't go in there with bush cutters because you're going to [ chip ] those beautiful panels. So it's part of our philosophy of full integration. So just talking a little bit about our environmental performance. And made mention of the concept of concurrent rehabilitation that you rehabilitate as you go along. And here, we fit through these slides and then you see a tailings dam in the distance I do believe that the DRD team is achieving a goal that we had set for ourselves also many, many years ago, maybe 15 years ago, maybe 18 years ago, being the benchmark in terms of the activities, the various activities that we involve ourselves in. I'm not aware of current tailings storage facilities that are cladded to the extent that DRD is cladded Crown facility, the Crown cluster, the Brakpan facility and Daggafontein. It's really if you want to show people what a tailings dam should look like if it's properly managed from an environmental containment perspective, I do believe that those tailings dams are benchmark setting in the standards that are being maintained by the team. And this has been throughout. So when we talk about hectares vegetated, 43 hectares of vegetation, 44 hectares of vegetation, 40 hectares of vegetation that pertains to those permanent tailings storage facilities that are going to be permanent features going forward or that are at least going to be around for many, many years to come and where the only means of containing dust emissions from those facilities and run off water from those facilities is by vegetating them to the point that they have. I did speak about potable water consumption, and you can see some of the trends as they've emerged over the last few years. Also dust emission exceedances. So many of our tailings facilities, the tailings storage facilities as well as our reclamation sites are in close proximity of where people live. So we have close to 300 air quality monitoring points scattered across the landscape in the Witwatersrand. And that's where we check whether or not dust coming off our facilities and off our sites, whether they fall within the statutory thresholds and whether they, in any way, contribute towards a reduction in quality of life of those people living in the vicinity of those. And it's part of the geospatial reality of Johannesburg where certain segments of society, where certain communities were placed and where they lived. And -- the reality is that many of the disenfranchise communities in South Africa are those that live firstly, downwind of these facilities and in many instances also in close proximity. So very few things impact quality of life as much as the standard of containment that's maintained on these facilities. And that's a good number, 0.5% of exceedances is a very, very good number. So one of the most complex numbers that we deal with or set of numbers that we deal with internally is reporting on electricity consumption, on savings on electricity, et cetera, et cetera. So we try to reduce those to a few easily understandable headline numbers. If you want to go into any sort of deeper detail, then you'll have to go through the financial statements in order to decipher for it from there. But what we've decided to do was to give you sort of headlines of just the impact of the solar farm now that it's been implemented over time. So the solar power produced this year is 146 gigawatt of power units that's been produced. And that is now net of grid losses and net of efficiency losses. It actually a high number of what's actually been produced, but that is what was available for use or that was used within our facilities within the group. Electricity consumption after wheeling and offsetting. So that is the electricity that Eskom supplied into our group. That's the 260 gigawatts of electricity that Eskom supplied into the group. So if you add those 2 numbers together, you can get some sort of a sense of what the total draw of DRV Gold was for the year or around about. So the Eskom units that were necessary to produce 1 tonne of material to treat and not produce a ton of product, but to treat a tonne of material. That's in the next slide. And you can see that, that's a very healthy trend. So in 2024, 13.6 kilowatt hours were required to treat 1 tonne of material. That is Eskom generated and supplied kilowatt hours. This year, on a group basis, that number reduced to 8.6 kilowatt hour. So if you do the numbers and if you limit those numbers to Ergo in particular, you'll see that we actually got very close to the range that we guided when the solar farm was in construction phase of a saving per tonne of between ZAR 9 and ZAR 15. And it looks as though it's somewhere between ZAR 13.50 and ZAR 14.50 per tonne saving at Ergo. That is a number that pertains to Ergo itself. But there are a number of movable parts here. So an exact number is very hard to say simply because we're talking about different rates that's being charged by Ergo. So if you look at direct savings, you're also looking at different times of the day and a variety of other moving parts, wheeling and offsetting charges, et cetera, et cetera. But that sort of are the headline numbers. The solar gave us 146 gigawatt that was used. Eskom gave us 216. That was the net number from Eskom and the trend. And of course, you've got your scope 2 carbon emissions, and I did mention that earlier as well, how that's reduced over this period. So on the whole, I think considering that we're a company that proclaims to have committed to the ideas of sustainable development of generating value at different levels or multidimensional value, but integrated, I think this gives a very good idea of how your environmental dividend and your financial dividend or your financial return go close hand-in-hand if you do this properly, if you plan it properly and if you execute well on it. So on the social performance side as well or the social capital side, I mean, this is very much -- it's not a story of impact quite yet, but our team is working on the impact of the social capital programs that our company is involved in. But just on the numbers this year, you can see where the socioeconomic development number has landed. And these are initiatives directly benefiting communities through small enterprise development and socioeconomic development programs, sustainable livelihoods and now increasingly also infrastructure. When we kicked off 15, 18, 20 years ago on the social capital road path and setting ourselves goals of what we wanted to do. Because of the size of our footprint, we do have the largest footprint, I think, in South Africa. It starts in Springs, maybe even further, and it ends in Carletonville, the most densely populated part of South Africa. You simply cannot be everything to everyone. You've got to be mindful of not only what you want to do, but also what your capacity is, what you can deliver and still impact as many lives as possible. So for a very large part of that whole program, our social initiatives were aimed primarily at poverty alleviation and youth education. And then in terms of poverty alleviation, providing knowledge and a nudge, small capital nudge here and there to assist people to sort of trade themselves out of abject poverty and improve their own quality of life. So it was -- these were programs that provided knowledge, material to self-empower. Now we're getting to a point where we're actually -- and I used to say in those days, Anglo American builds infrastructure. We do knowledge and a nudge. Now we're getting to a stage where DRD is also starting to build infrastructure. And next year, there's a clinic that's being planned. There's a refurbishment of the school that's being planned. And these are big numbers that are being committed, and they're worth spending. Because every life that's changed provides just a tiny bit more of social stability in the areas where we operate, and you need a socially stable environment within which to operate the business successfully. We believe that, and I'll continue to believe that for as long as I'm around. Then in terms of share price movement, I think what has been encouraging in terms of share price movement in the more recent past, the last 24 to 18 months, it does seem as though the lag that we had experienced in 2024 when we were talking about all of these big programs and the production numbers were simply not there. It does look as though that lag has been reduced and maybe it's not there at all. We are tracking the other members in our industry, we're tracking our peers. And our peers are tracking the gold price like most of us do. So it's definitely showing signs of having stabilized. And hopefully, that is something to do with maybe slightly more confidence in the performance of the business and also restoring a measure of credibility in terms of delivering and delivering on these big projects. And I did show you the numbers earlier on. It's been part of our narrative now for the last few years of how we believe setting up all of this infrastructure, spending all of this capital will set us up in terms of net cash flow. And our company hasn't changed its value proposition or what it seeks to deliver in terms of its value proposition. Dividend flow is still a very big part of that. And we do hope that if things remain more or less the same, if we can contain costs, if we can drive those throughput numbers and production numbers, and if the gold price doesn't weaken significantly, that once this capital phase is over, the net cash flow profile of this company could look considerably more attractive. And hopefully, that will also then reward those shareholders who got the timing right and that remains supportive of the stock. If you sold shares in March, you would have been ZAR 60 a share if you got your timing right, and I think some of you may have. And maybe those were shares that you bought for ZAR 8 or ZAR 15 or ZAR 25. So it is a stock that does reward very significantly if you understand the dynamics that drive the performance of the stock. And hopefully, in terms of a production delivery and future investment perspective, we could give you some material to work with, and then you need to go and do your numbers with regards to gold price performance and so forth. And the one undertaking that I do get is that for as long as we can, we will remain unhedged, and we will provide you full exposure to movements in the gold price so that you can trade the stock on either side of the cycle. All right. So then in terms of looking ahead, I can't get enough of this picture. It is just such an impressive piece of engineering, and it is enormous. The scale is not fully appreciated by just looking at the picture. But just in terms of 2027 guidance, and we did try to be realistic in terms of our guidance. It's obviously quite a bit more than what it was last year. And not all of that has to do with the increase in volume throughput. There are some of these guidance numbers that also pertain to the materials that Ergo is going to be mining for the year going forward. So we're guiding between 160,000 and 170,000 ounces for the financial year. And again, the assumption premised on volume throughput and on head grade and on a particular standard of recovery efficiency. Cash costs, just over ZAR 1 million a kilo, all-in sustaining costs, ZAR 1.2 million and then planned capital of just over ZAR 3 billion for the year. Important milestones for us, Jaco spoke about some of those, but important milestones for us, obviously, is the completion of the DP2 plant expansion. And that's just about ready to happen. We have a Board meeting in October, and the intention is to take the Board members to that plant and to show them a plant that is completed. And at that stage, that particular section, the new section to be close to operational, if not operational, so that the service of the existing circuit that, that can take place that we can have 2 virtually new sections up and running and ready to accommodate the 1.3 million tonne a month throughput that's envisaged for Far West Gold from next year onwards. It's important that we complete RTSF for beneficial occupation. And if you want to have a better understanding of what beneficial occupation means, please just run through the presentation that we did in July. It will give you some sort of an indication as to where it needs to be. It doesn't have to be -- the dam doesn't have to be finished. The facility doesn't have to be finished in order to do that. Sort of 2/3 finished and more or less where Jaco is now, there's some odds and ends that we still need to take care of. There are a few regulatory hoops that we need to jump through. So beneficial occupation is a technical term that basically means that we are now ready to start impounding material onto that facility. And a big part of that initially will be the successful commissioning. It's a complex process, one that we need to get right. As Jaco said, you're not going to be taking shortcuts now on a facility that's supposed to last for 35 years. Commissioning of the Libanon reclamation station, I was so relieved when we got the water usage license for the Libanon Reclamation Station. And there were a number of not just our own colleagues, but also individuals working at the Department of Water and Sanitation that I know pulled out the stops to facilitate this. They knew that it was on the critical path. They were sensitive to the fact that there was a lot at stake and they came in and they made sure that we got this hopefully in time to delivering to the expectation that we've created with regards to 1.2 million tonnes a month in financial 2028. Obtaining the relevant approvals to commence construction at Withok. We spoke about the complexity associated with that site, the fact that there's some underground geological features that we need to look into that need to be insulated from the facility over and above the liner that's going to go in, some of the design complexities as well, especially with the 2 dams abut, where Withok abuts the Brakpan tailings facility. It's not a simple process, and therefore, we've built in some additional time to do that. It's not going to meet the 2028 time line that we had aspired towards when we first set out with this. The initial gap, the initial hole in the volume throughput though we explained through until 2029 when Withok comes online is 150,000 tonnes per month. So it's a relatively modest impact in the near term. It's essential though that this dam is built by 2029 because that 320 million or rather 310 million tonnes of capacity that it provides is very important for the remainder of Ergo's life of mine. And then, of course, we also want to continue to explore opportunities for growth beyond South Africa. And this is something that we have been talking about. And there are companies that we've had conversations with to see whether our model is appropriate for what they have left on their side. With the margins that our model has been generating and other companies have been managing to also achieve, I think a lot of the focus on tailings treatment has sort of moved away from the impact that it has from a sustainability perspective or from a mine closure and an environmental restoration perspective to commercial aspects. And then I think there's a lot of expectation and maybe even some political maneuvering with regards to legislation and so forth that's starting to overemphasize the commercial aspect. However, things have changed in the world in the last 30, 40-odd years. The standards that we insist upon in terms of environmental closure in terms of restoration of mining footprint in terms of biodiversity and the restoration of ecosystems, those standards have changed. And corporates are giving undertakings they're making promises in that regard. Promises that are going to have to be fulfilled with money that did not form part of the initial modeling. And that's really where tailings treatment hits the sweet spot. Tailings treatment is that part of your business, that latent value that's remained ignored for many, many years or unrecognized that can now kick in and that can deliver into that without eroding shareholder return or the expectation of shareholder return. That is the essence of tailings retreatment. Yes, it's nice to have these super profits. Yes, it's nice to have all of these programs. But essentially, what's happening here is a profitable, sustainable restoration of a poor legacy. And that's something that needs to take place globally on a global scale. And it's worth doing it because it has become a compelling financial proposition as well. 7 years ago, Sibanye-Stillwater had a project that they spoke about in the Far West Rand. If however you looked for financial reporting on that project, the only evidence that you would have found would have been a ZAR 250 million provision in their balance sheet and environmental provisions. In other words, the cost the liability. Today, 7 years later, Sibanye, after having merged that project into DRD Gold owns a ZAR 15 billion asset. That's the value of their shares in DRDGOLD. So they've gone from ZAR 250 million negative or ZAR 300 million negative to ZAR 15 billion positive in terms of the value of the equity of their company. They have earned or they will have earned after this dividend that's declared today in the last 2 years, ZAR 955 million in dividends from their 50.1% interest in DRDGOLD. That's the value proposition that DRDGOLD can bring to your business, to your waste. You want to do it yourself, carry on. You want to achieve success in this sort of venture or endeavor, let us through the front door. Maybe we could do something with your tails. That's our story. right. We'll be taking -- sorry, that was maybe a little bit of a cheeky to, anyway, we'll take questions now. You guys want to join in?
Operator: Questions in the room. So please raise your hand and then state your name and gentleman will bring a mic to you. And then once the questions in the room are done, we'll go to the online questions.
Unknown Analyst: My name is Michael Salter. I am from Element Investment Managers, and indulge with not really a question, but a statement. First of all, congratulations. It is a superb set of results and I do believe that DRD is a world leader in terms of what it is doing. I just wanted to just state that the one aspect that you said that you are tracking the SA Gold companies, and that to me is what is have no geological risk like they do. So yes, gold price is a proxy and it is going to follow gold, but to be trading at a discount to your peers that have so many more risks from a geological point of view is just something I do not understand. For me, it is really well done, guys, and it is so good to see that there is life in the South African gold industry through people like yourself.
Daniël Pretorius: Thank you very much. We appreciate that. And look, I'm not going to try and explain the performance of the stock. is an expert. He's been doing it for 60 years. He'd be able to maybe explain those things. But the fact is there does seem to be a correlation, and we don't want to lag. I think that's the main thing, and we were lagging for a period of time, and we seem to have overcome that. It is tracking the industry a little bit more closely. But thank you very much for your kind words. Hopefully, we can continue delivering to those expectations. It's a long way down. Mr. [ Davel ], welcome.
Riaan Davel: Thank you. Riaan Davel, previous CFO and shareholder. From my personal point of view, just considering the significant capital expenditure, substantial contribution to the fiscus, and a very healthy, $0.50 interim dividend, I just want to comment relative to the final dividend of $0.40 last year, the [indiscernible] is definitely not a stingy dividend. So thank you very much for that. Just a comment now, and well done with the results. That is brilliant.
Daniël Pretorius: Thank you, Riaan. Look, a lot of thinking went into the dividend because what you obviously don't want to do is be silly about the dividend that you pay because next year, you're hopefully declaring another dividend. And do you really then want to have a sort of a 40% drop on your dividend? And do you have to go to -- I mean, thank you very much, for this facility. But if you don't need to draw against it, you don't -- you shouldn't want to draw against it. So we did put a lot of thinking into that in order for it to be responsible dividend in the circumstances. And then by the way, just on the point of tax, and you've given me the opportunity to do that. It's one of my favorite topics as a taxpayer. So it's not only the ZAR 490 million in income tax, was it ZAR 490 million in income tax. There's also the ZAR 312 million in pay you earn. So it was close on ZAR 800 million paid in taxes, and that doesn't take into account taxes and VAT that was paid this year. So I think there was probably a contribution towards fiscus in excess of ZAR 1 billion this year out of our operations.
Martin Creamer: Martin Creamer from Mining Weekly. You said you've got a greater ambition when it comes to renewable energy. What is that ambition? What do you see as the final part of it? And secondly, there's platinum group metal tailings around the place. There is an opportunity in platinum is there not? Have you really studied that to the full, how far are you from doing something with regard to platinum?
Daniël Pretorius: Yes, certainly. No. Thank you, Martin. In terms of additional renewables, Jaco worked on a program. You saw ZAR 145 million asset for sale. So he worked on a project. And in fact, the team took it to licensing to the point where they can start constructing. And we sold it, but we locked in a number of units, 30 megawatt. Yes, So we've got a 30-megawatt facility coming our way through the grid in a few years from now. So hopefully, that will -- with the additional power that's going to be used at Far West, it will have the impact or the effect that our carbon footprint doesn't grow in size because of more power from E. And look, the power station, I'm trying to encourage I'm the main chair leader when it comes to maybe more investment into solar. I think my team is still recovering from the previous process, but I think there's opportunity to -- we've got this fantastic expertise in the group. I think we should take advantage of it. I don't know if we should only own only one solar farm, maybe we should own more than one. But yes, I'm not getting fully supported from the team on that one just yet. What -- sorry, what was on the platinum. It's really up to -- I mean, obviously, the obvious partner for platinum would be Sibanye-Stillwater. And it would be entirely up to them to invite us into the room. There was planning done a long time ago on that, and we do know that there's plenty of opportunity, multibillion NPV opportunities in that regard. I don't think we'll buy anything, but there's no reason why we can't participate technically and maybe get paid a fee as a member of the group. So the opportunity is there, and it will be a case of Sibanye inviting us into the room. There's a lot of work happening in Sibanye in terms of tightening up on the asset portfolio. And I know that there's a program and they'll talk about that. I'm sure that they do talk about that, spoke about that at their markets -- Capital Markets Day as well. So it's a big company with a lot of moving parts and everything has its turn and everything as a priority. And I'll be very surprised if we're not involved in that conversation.
Operator: Okay. We're going to take some questions.
Daniël Pretorius: Camilla, sorry, there's another question, sorry.
Unknown Analyst: My name is [ John Krensruw ]. What about uranium? Is there an opportunity?
Daniël Pretorius: I think uranium will be the next CEO's sort of focus area. I'll tell you exactly why. When uranium became a thing many years ago, when -- who was it? -- outfit out at Mine Waste, Gordon Miller and then...
Wilhelm Schoeman: Rand uranium.
Daniël Pretorius: That wasn't Rand uranium. It was Mine Waste Solutions. Remember that Mine Waste Solutions was going to be a uranium -- primarily uranium, and they raised a lot of money, CAD 125 million, sold their gold forward, sold their gold to $400 an ounce. in order to fund the uranium circuit. I went to go and see a gentleman who worked at Areva called Daniel Wouters, and he will forgive me for reminding him of this conversation, but I think he was right. And said to him, listen, everyone is doing all this uranium stuff with tailings. And I'm feeling -- am I the only idiot in the room, not wanting to pursue that because we have the largest tailings portfolio. And said, whatever you do, don't do tailings at uranium, don't do a dual product stream in terms of tailings focus because you'll favor the one at the cost of the other. So you're going to be producing lots of uranium, but not much gold at the cost of your gold efficiency or you're going to be producing a lot of gold, but at the cost of your uranium efficiency. They're not happy partners in the same circuit. That's in terms of secondary mining. Primary mining is obviously the opposite. So I have a bias when it comes to uranium from tailings. And there's going to have to be a very compelling argument made by my colleagues here. to justify or motivate large quantities, large capital amounts to build a tailings uranium circuit as part of our current throughput profile. Not a fan.
Wilhelm Schoeman: Niël, if I can expand on that.
Daniël Pretorius: Yes, please do, Jaco.
Wilhelm Schoeman: So the 2 processes are on the opposite side of the PH scale. So uranium recovery happened in the acetic side of things where you're leaching it with sulfuric acid. And gold obviously happens in the alkaline stage right up at a PH of 10.5. So it's exactly what Niël is saying, you're going to sacrifice one for the other to do that recovery. Ergo did that I think before 2000s, Ergo treated uranium and gold stopped it for that reason. Mine Waste Solutions did the exact same, also treated uranium and gold and at a point in time, stopped doing that because you sacrifice one for the other.
Daniël Pretorius: So sorry, no new technology.
Wilhelm Schoeman: No, unfortunately, not at this point in time.
Daniël Pretorius: So if you look at our average yield, the second -- the third slide, our very first third slide. And it's important that we -- because we quote these numbers and we -- it's become so much part of our language that we don't really appreciate every exactly what they mean. I mean look at that number there. recovery 193. There's a reason why we say 0.193 gram a tonne, very good reason. And if that was 0.183, you multiply that by ZAR 3 million. That's 30 kilos gold. That's ZAR 60 million of revenue that you lose because you got that second digit wrong. So your uranium has got to give you an additional ZAR 60 million in net profit in order to justify sacrificing 0.01 gram of gold production. That resource doesn't exist not in South Africa. not at these throughput rates. I think we -- is there anyone else in the room? Martin?
Martin Creamer: I just want to harp on what the Minerals Council of South Africa and a whole group of individuals have been saying. South Africa is falling behind the rest of the world when it becomes -- when modernization of technology is involved. I can't see that quite happening with you guys on the operational side. because there are so few people that do what you do. But there was a clear picture that they painted that some of the main jurisdictions in the world were ahead of us and that we're quite badly behind on the modernization front. Have you people looked at that? Or are there any ways you can do things better? Of course, this AI crops up all the time, but how you use that is important. Most of the time when they explained the use of it in this -- when they discussed the modernization was that it was creating jobs rather than actually diminishing jobs, particularly in the operational front. But I don't know whether there is any modernization mechanism that you can bring in that would help matters? Or do you think you've reached the stage of modernization that is needed?
Daniël Pretorius: In terms of digitization and using AI and so forth, I think AI is a very helpful tool to better understand data. AI shouldn't be a decision-making tool. It should be an analytical tool, something that you use to understand more data better in order to inform your decision-making. So I'd be very reluctant for people to sort of just mechanically follow the numbers on the screen and then say, all right, well, AI is saying, I must do this that and the following. It's important that people understand what it is that they're dealing with because if things go wrong, it's -- AI is not going to fix it for you. You need to understand your process and you need to be able to do it yourself. I think in terms of big data, we've been doing big data in any event now for the last 15 years to track and understand and maintaining stable state, the throughput rates that we're doing. I mean we're separating out 200 parts per billion. You do need big data, and that's being reported on an ongoing basis. With regards to new technologies, the UFR, the upflow reactor could be part of that cracking the code and making that small incremental change. And -- I mean, there's never not any kind of -- some kind of rather research happening. It's just being able to scale it. So that process will never end. It will continue. I mean we're still putting back 0.17, 0.18, 0.15 gram of gold per tonne. We're still putting back a tailings in some instances a little bit more. At some point or another, there might be a different kind of process can actually probably extract what's remaining there as well. So it's a never-ending endeavor. So we're excited about the upflow reactor. It is showing good promise.
Martin Creamer: Why are you excited about it?
Daniël Pretorius: It increases -- it reduces your residue grade. So it's one more pass. So once it's gone through CIL, it goes into the upflow reactor and then there's some more adsorption taking place.
Martin Creamer: [indiscernible]
Daniël Pretorius: We with the pilot scale, I think what we don't want to do is create expectations and say we believe it's going to give us this that in the following. But even on a conservative interpretation, I mean we're committing a lot of money, and we're doing it because we think the technology works just before you start modeling it. But we want to give you proper numbers before you start bringing it into a model.
Operator: Okay. We're going to go to the online questions. Arnold van Graan asks, Niël, is it fair to say you're keen to see Vision 2028 through to delivery? And how do you think about leadership continuity beyond that point?
Daniël Pretorius: I'd love to -- everyone in this room who works for DRD is younger than 40. Can you put up your hand, please? So there you see it. A lot of young people working for the company. And I mean, there are a lot of smart people already being positioned for the next generation of management. So I'm confident that we've got the depth within the company to deal with both a crisis scenario and also with a managed and structured scenario.
Henriette Hooijer: Okay. Nick Dinham says, Niël, are you pointing to a change in operating plans at Ergo with more reliance on trucked high-grade ore for the foreseeable future? And where is this coming from? And how -- and for how long will this go on?
Daniël Pretorius: So what we're pointing towards is not a change, the opposite of change. There will still be trucking going on for the foreseeable future, but not an increase in trucking.
Henriette Hooijer: And then Nick Dinham asked another question. The deadline for approval of the approaches. If no approval by December, can you give us a sense of how you play the uncertainty into your revised plans?
Daniël Pretorius: We will just have to camp out and bang on the door and say, listen, can we please have it like we did with some of the other licenses. Jaco, do you want to comment on that?
Wilhelm Schoeman: So yes, it's important that we do get to that time line. If we don't, the backup plans would be -- that's why we've implemented Daggafontein. So Daggafontein takes 750,000 off the Brakpan tailings dam. We've got a bit of leeway in that process, but it's important that we do hit that end of year time line. But it's not an Humpty Dumpty fall-of-the-wall exercise. We do have some additional capacity.
Daniël Pretorius: So if Withok doesn't come online in 2030, -- and it means until it does, Ergo would have to be running at somewhere between 750,000 and 1 million. So you'll shave another 650,000 volume profile. Not ideal. But as Jaco is saying, it's not existential, just an inconvenience and it's going to cost money.
Henriette Hooijer: And then [ Marko ] asked, well done on the great results. Could you expand on your capital allocation policy? What dividend payout can we expect going forward? And then two, what is the expected benefits from the [ upload ] reactors costing ZAR 880 million in CapEx?
Daniël Pretorius: Okay. So if we -- as the capital reduces and provided everything stays the same, the dividend will grow, simple as that. And that's why we include the capital profile.
Henriette Hooijer: [ Lebumo Faking ] asks, says, Well done, guys. Please guide on AISC and AIC for financial year 2028 and financial year 2029, unit cash costs as well. Can you also guide on running CapEx number post Vision 2028?
Daniël Pretorius: I don't think we give guidance on those numbers that's far into the future. There are just too many assumptions that we don't control. I mean you can extrapolate them more or less and form a view on the assumptions, the veracity and assumptions that we use for our guidance. But I don't think we can do 28 and 29 all-in sustaining cost guidance. CapEx guidance is there. I mean that's pretty much as far as I think we're prepared.
Henriette Hooijer: Jandre Pieterse, your expectations -- what are your expectations of cash tax versus accounting tax going forward?
Daniël Pretorius: Somebody needs to explain to me what that is. Why don’t you take that one, Henriette?
Henriette Hooijer: So again, on the income tax side, so deferred tax will keep on growing. From a cash flow point of view, our income tax balance will keep continue growing as well in the foreseeable future. We still have a big capital balance for Far West, for instance, for the year ahead. But if the gold price performs in line with what it's performed with in the past, even Far West can go into a tax paying position during the next financial year. Ergo will definitely still be even with the planned capital spend on the Withok side, they will continue to be in a taxpaying position next year.
Daniël Pretorius: I think I'm correct in saying that with the less than 2 years ago, solar less than 2 years ago and recognizing 125% of -- it's gone. It's been expended. So it disappears very, very quickly in the sort of margin -- gold price margin environment. And look, I think it's important that, that number is out there because sometimes the contribution of the industry, South Africa and the mining industry is understood in terms of social and labor plans, only in terms of social and labor plans with some sort of equity participation thing and so forth and so forth. Somehow, we ignore or we don't really spend enough time reflecting on the fiscal contribution, the contribution in taxes that this industry is making and something that I think I'm surprised that there's not more awareness amongst communities affected by mining industry. You see -- and I just said -- mentioned ZAR 1 billion in tax. The sad reality is that we see very little evidence of any of that ZAR 1 billion finding its way back into our surrounding communities if you look at the kind of services that's being provided there at the kind of health systems that our company needs to provide in order just for basic things to be delivered into those communities. And I really think that as much as we look at the social contribution of mining companies in the context of regulation and so forth, maybe from time to time, we also need to reflect that just how efficiently tax revenues are being reinvested into constituencies. As a percentage of our contribution into the fiscus, we've seen very little of that being plowed back into our communities, into the areas where we operate, very little. Which is wrong.
Operator: Can you say where outside South Africa you are looking to expand?
Daniël Pretorius: Yes, we're looking at Africa and South America.
Operator: And then say, is diesel a meaningful input in your production process?
Henriette Hooijer: We do, at this stage, have got lots of yellow machine. If you look at the massive projects that we are undertaking on the RTSF, Kevin, how many yellow machines are on RTSF at this stage? 167, 200 big pieces of equipment currently running at RTSF. On the operational side, from a cleanup operation, all of the cleanup sites, we use lots of machine hire and then the trucking expenses, biggest portion of that is the diesel component. So yes, diesel is impacting us quite substantially, especially on the Ergo side, less of an extent at this stage on the Far West Gold Recoveries side.
Operator: I think that leads Matthew Whitelaw to his question. What price have you assumed for diesel in your financial year '27 cost guidance?
Henriette Hooijer: So look, we have done -- you've seen that the diesel price has gone up and it has gone down. So we have built in the latest information that is good, and we built in some risk factors. So you're going to always have things that is directly impacted from a diesel point of view, our diesel usage versus your deliveries is more expensive, et cetera. So we have brought in some risk factors into our budgeting process, but it was an interesting year to budget.
Daniël Pretorius: That range between 11% and 17% risk factor on some of the components. That's part of a composite really.
Operator: Perfect. I think some of the other questions are a little bit more detailed, which we will take time to respond after the session.
Daniël Pretorius: Okay. Thank you very much, everyone, for joining us, and we really appreciate your attendance. And please join us for some snacks.