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Operator: Good afternoon. This is the Chorus Call conference operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Stevanato Group Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Lisa Miles, Chief Communications Officer. Please go ahead, madam.
Lisa Miles: Good morning, and thank you for joining us. With me today is Franco Stevanato, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Marco Dal Lago, Chief Financial Officer. You can find a presentation to accompany today's results on the Investor Relations page of our website, which can be located under the Financial Results tab. As a reminder, some statements being made today will be forward-looking in nature and are only predictions. Actual events and results may differ materially as a result of the risks we face, including those discussed in Item 3D entitled Risk Factors in the company's most recent annual report on Form 20-F filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Please read our safe harbor statement included in the front of the presentation and in today's press release. The company does not assume any obligation to revise or update these forward-looking statements to reflect subsequent events or circumstances, except as required by law. Today's presentation may contain non-GAAP financial information. Management uses this information in its internal analyses and believes this information may be informative to investors in gauging the quality of our financial performance, identifying trends in our results and providing meaningful period-to-period comparisons. For a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures please see the company's most recent earnings press release. And with that, I will now hand the call over to Franco Stevanato.
Franco Stevanato: Thank you, Lisa, and thanks for joining us. Today, we will review our 2025 performance, address current market dynamics, discuss our fourth quarter results and provide 2026 guidance. We finished fiscal 2025 with another solid quarter that led to positive full year performance and positive momentum as we start 2026. For the fiscal 2025, total company revenue increased by 9% at constant currency rates and 7% on a reported basis compared with 2024. This growth was consistent with our expectations and reflects the execution of our strategic priorities throughout 2025. The biopharmaceutical and Diagnostic Solutions segment delivered another solid year with double-digit top line growth for fiscal 2025. This offset the expected revenue decline from the Engineering segment. Revenue growth in the BDS segment was driven primarily by strong market demand for high-value solutions, which increased 29% in fiscal 2025, and represented 46% of the total company revenue for the year. The strong performance in High Value Solutions was also the main driver for margin expansion in the year with gross profit margin rising by 160 basis points compared to 2024. These results demonstrate the company's ability to execute against our strategic priorities and to grow our innovative premium offerings positioning the business for sustained success in the evolving market environment. At the same time, as we continue to move up the value chain, we are pivoting away from certain non-high-value product categories that we consider not aligned with our strategy, and we may consider additional action in the future. Since our IPO in 2021, we remain committed to meeting customer demand for high-value solutions, which meant investing in key projects in Fishers, Indiana and Latin Italy to spend capacity for high-value syringes. In 2025, the Nexa syringe was our fastest-growing product driven primarily by growth from GLP1s. This should come as no surprise as the syringe is by far the most prevalent format for GLP-1s in United States today. There's no doubt that we've been successful in winning our fair share of the GLP-1 market. This success is rooted in our long history of being a trusted partner to customers. Our global footprint, which provides supply chain security and the quality of our products, which have a characteristic that resonate with our customers. For example, our Nexa platform feature high mechanical resistance. It can be produced at scale, and it is ideally suited for an auto-injector. In fiscal 2025, our revenue from GLP-1s accounted for approximately 19% to 20% of total company revenue. growing more than 50% compared with 2024. We currently expect that the GLP-1s will serve as a meaningful tailwind as special demand continues to grow in the years to come. With the launch of the Wegovy pill, patients now have more options for GLP treatments. The general consensus among industry experts and our customers is that injectables are expected to be the preferred format for treatment lost while our GLPs will enable market expansion and support patients with specific needs. We also anticipate the market for GLP-1 will continue to evolve over the next decade, primarily driven by the different commercial and supply chain strategies among the originators, biosimilar launches, the expected expansion of treatment indications and next-generation [ incretin ] still in clinical phases. We are already seeing some of these dynamics play out in the market today. As we noted on prior calls, recent demand for cartridges has outpaced our prior expectation, and we are expanding our capacity to satisfy demand. We see this trend aligned with the introduction of new pen injector formats with various treatment plants as well as the expected growth of biosimilars, especially in APAC. We currently expect that we will continue to benefit from GLPs in the future. We also believe that the market will continue to evolve and mature. We see a pipeline of opportunities where we are well positioned with a deep expertise, a global footprint and a comprehensive portfolio of products from primary packaging to our platform drug delivery devices. While GLPs represented the largest top line growth contributor in 2025, we continue to increase our participation in other injectable biologics with our premium best-in-class high-value product portfolio. In fiscal 2025, we realized a 40% increase in the number of customers ordering premium ranges, both Alba and Nexa platforms for biologic application that were unrelated to GLP-1s. These 2 customer projects are expected to play an important role in the future growth. We continue to expand our participation in the broader set of biological applications with new customer programs, unlocking incremental value and setting the path for sustainable growth in the coming decade. As a result, in fiscal 2025, Biologics represented 41% BDS revenues, up from 34% in 2024. Third, to the next slide for an update on our strategic growth investments. In Latina, the past year was dedicated to the installation and production of syringe capacity and customer validations all of which will continue in 2026. The next phase in Latina is devoted to increasing capacity for EZ-fill cartridges to meet rising global demand. Turning to Fishers throughout 2025, the teams were focused on core activities, including the ongoing line installations. In parallel, customer validations and audits continue and in 2025 we doubled the number of customers that are now validated in features. Looking ahead, line installations and customer validation activities are expected to continue all year. We continue to advance the build-out for contract manufacturing activities in support of a couple of large device programs for a key U.S. customer the build-out is going well. Nearly all of the injection molding machines are installed, and we started producing components for qualification activities. The first phase of new clean room is completed. We still expect the commercial activities to begin at the end of 2026 or early 2027 for the first device program. Please turn to the next slide for a status update on the Engineering segment. Over the past 12 months, we've made meaningful progress advancing our optimization efforts and improving execution. In 2025, we rightsize operations streamline processes and increase standardization across delivery teams. We reinforce our project management office, driving improvements in project planning, process harmonization, contract management and customer engagement. We also consolidated offices in Denmark, move the visual inspection activities to Italy and acquired a new location in Bologna to access strong technical talent. This section have contributed to double-digit growth in site acceptance rates, an important KPI. Nevertheless, our 2026 guidance assumes a revenue decrease from the Engineering segment due to lower order intake in the prior months. While our efforts in 2025 were focused on execution we recently stepped up our sales and marketing efforts, which has led to a more robust opportunity pipeline. Converting opportunities into new firm orders has been slower than we anticipated. But our pipeline is especially strong in pharmaceutical visual inspection, underpinned by innovation and superior technology. All in all, getting the business back to historical performance is taking longer than we expected and we're working to best position the segment for long-term success. In summary, 2025 was a successful year, characterized by robust top line growth, a favorable mix and ongoing margin expansion. Double-digit growth in our BDA segment more than offset the expected revenue reduction in engineering and enable us to navigate the favorable effects from foreign currency. High-value solutions were the primary driver of revenue growth and margin expansion, reflecting our ability to scale our main investments and perform in full alignment with the strategic direction set at the time of our IPO. We expect that GLPs will remain an important tailwinds, having anchor our position as a market leader in high-value products. Importantly, our best product set enable us to achieve strategic position beyond GLPs, allowing us to participate in the broader global market for injectable biologics and biosimilars. Looking ahead, we will continue to execute our strategic priorities, including aligning growth investments with customer demand trends. I will hand the call over to Marco
Marco Dal Lago: Thanks, Franco. Before I begin, I want to clarify that all comparisons refer to year-over-year changes unless otherwise specified. Starting on Page 10. We ended fiscal 2025 with positive financial results for the fourth quarter. Total company revenue grew 7% at constant currency and 5% on a reported basis to $346.5 million for the fourth quarter of 2025. Foreign currency translation was a headwind throughout fiscal 2025 with an higher impact in the second half of 2025 due to a weaker U.S. dollar. Our BDS segment delivered another solid fourth quarter with revenue increasing 13% at the constant currency and 10% on a reported basis. This offset the expected 23% revenue decline in the Engineering segment. For the fourth quarter of 2025, revenue from high-value solutions grew 31% to EUR 171 million, represented approximately 49% of total company revenue in the quarter. The strong performance was driven by continued growth in our premium performance Nexa syringes and, to a lesser extent, EZ-fill cartridges. For the fourth quarter of 2025, gross profit margin increased 120 basis points to 30.9%. This was mostly driven by 3 factors: first, a favorable mix of high-value solutions. Second, the year-over-year improvements in Latin and Fishers as we scale production in our new facilities. But together, they remain dilutive to the corporate margin. And third, the improved market landscape for vials which led to higher vial production and better utilization. This was partially offset by tariffs and unfavorable effects of foreign currency. For the fourth quarter of 2025, operating profit margin was 20.2%. As a result, net profit totaled EUR 47.6 million and diluted earnings per share were EUR 0.17. On an adjusted basis, net profit was EUR 49.8 million and adjusted diluted EPS were EUR 0.18 for the fourth quarter of 2025. Adjusted EBITDA increased 7% to EUR 97.7 million, and adjusted EBITDA margin increased 70 basis points to 28.2%. Let's review segment results on Page 11. The BDS segment finished strong with double-digit growth in the fourth quarter. Revenue grew 13% at the constant currency and 10% on a reported basis to EUR 307.1 million. Segment growth was led by a 31% revenue increase from high-value solutions to EUR 171 million, which accounted for 56% of segment revenue. This offset the 9% revenue reduction in other containment and delivery solutions as we prioritize the production of premium products. For the fourth quarter of 2025, gross profit margin for the BDS segment improved 50 basis points to 31.6% led by a favorable mix, operational gains in our new facilities as we scale commercial production and an improved vial market. These positive trends were offset by the unfavorable impact of tariffs and foreign currency translation. This resulted in an operating profit margin of 23.8% which improved 50 basis points in the fourth quarter of 2025. The BDS segment continues to perform well, reflecting the successful execution of our strategic priorities and a strong position to capitalize on future opportunities. For the fourth quarter of 2025, revenue from the Engineering segment decreased 23% to EUR 39.4 million due to lower revenue in glass conversion and assembly, offsetting growth in pharmaceutical visual inspection. For the fourth quarter of 2025, segment gross profit margin decreased to 15.8%. And as a result, operating profit margin was 9.1%. Ongoing efforts under our business optimization plan have yielded the improvements in execution and meaningful operational progress. However, the unfavorable portfolio mix coupled with low order intake continues to put pressure on margins. The team has been very focused on securing new orders which will help refresh and reposition the portfolio for long-term success. Please turn to the next slide for a review of balance sheet and cash flow items. We ended the year with cash and cash equivalents of EUR 130.6 million and net debt of EUR 337.7 million. With our current cash on hand, cash generated from operations, available credit lines and our ability to access additional financing we believe, we have available liquidity to fund our strategic and operational priorities over the next 12 months. For the full year 2025, capital expenditures totaled EUR 294.9 million, of which approximately 89% were deployed for growth projects to support customer demand. These investments are related to capacity expansion for high-value solutions and supporting future DDS commercial activities. For the full year 2025, cash from operating activities totaled EUR 286.1 million. Cash used in the purchase of property, plant, equipment and intangible assets was EUR 275.1 million. The combination of increased cash flow from operations and lower CapEx and drive a significant year-over-year improvement in free cash flow, and we exited fiscal 2025 with positive free cash flow of EUR 18.4 million for the full year. Lastly, turn to the next slide, we are establishing 2026 guidance. We expect revenue in the range of EUR 1.260 billion to EUR 1.290 billion. On a constant currency basis, revenue will range between EUR 1.278 and EUR 1.308 billion. Adjusted EBITDA in the range of EUR 331.8 million to EUR 346.9 million, and adjusted diluted EPS in the range of EUR 0.59 to EUR 0.63. Our 2026 guidance considers headwinds and tailwinds, and we have assumed the following factors: revenue will be stronger in the second half of 2022 and compared with the first half. The effects from foreign currency translation are expected to be a headwind of approximately EUR 18 million for fiscal 2026 with an impact of approximately EUR 10 million in Q1. As a result, in the first quarter, we expect mid-single-digit revenue growth on a reported basis compared to last year based on the midpoint of our guide. For the full year, the BDS segment is expected to grow on a reported basis, high single to low double digits and double digits on a constant currency rate. Engineering is expected to decline by mid-single digit to low double digits. For fiscal 2026 High-value solutions are expected to range between 47% to 48% of total company revenue. And in 2026, we are assuming a tax rate of approximately 26.8%. And finally, capital expenditures and free cash flow. We have assumed CapEx in the range of EUR 270 million to EUR 290 million before customer contributions and prepayments. Net of contributions and payments is expected to range between EUR 240 million and EUR 260 million. Regarding free cash flow in 2026 we are modeling breakeven to positive free cash flow of approximately EUR 20 million. I will hand the call back to Franco.
Franco Stevanato: Thank you, Marco. In closing, we remain focused on executing our key priorities supported by strong business fundamentals. We operate in attractive growing end markets. with favorable secular tailwinds, innovation across the industry continues to advance patient care, and we remain mission-critical to the delivery of biologics supporting new therapeutic areas, expanding global access to treatments and improving standards of care. Demand for innovative drug products remain strong. There are more than 9,000 injectable assets in the global drug pipeline undergoing clinical evaluation or being registered and more than 60% are biologics. We believe we are well positioned to serve this demand through our integrated value proposition, differentiate the portfolio and long-standing commitment to science and technology-driven innovation. Biologics, our fast and growing segment is expected to remain a key driver of top line growth and margin expansion as we continue to move up the value chain. At the same time, we're making meaningful operational progress, and we expect to increasingly benefit from new capacity coming online, productivity gains and improvements within our Engineering segment. Together, we expect that these efforts position us to deliver long-term sustainable growth and shareholder value. Operator, we are ready for questions.
Operator: Thank you. This is the Chorus Call conference operator. [Operator Instructions] First question is from Michael Ryskin, Bank of America.
Michael Ryskin: Great. Congrats on the strong end of the year. I want to start on sort of parsing out your guide for 2026. I appreciate you provided a lot of color in the deck and in your prepared remarks. I'm curious if you would comment on your expectations for GLP-1s in 2026. I think you said for 2025, it was up to 19% to 20% of revenues and grew 50% year-over-year. So at the midpoint of your guide for 2026, what is your assumption for GLP-1 growth next year? And I have a follow-up.
Franco Stevanato: Thank you, Franco speaking. Revenue from the GLP1s accounted in 2025, approximately between 19% to 20% and we have delivered our growth in 2020 compared to the '24 about 50%. If you do an estimation and look at our outlook of 2026, we think that will be a growth in the range of mid-teens.
Michael Ryskin: Mid-teens. Okay. That's great. And then a follow-up on the Engineering segment. I mean, on the one hand, encouraging, it sounds like you're making a lot of progress in terms of the operational plan, the optimization moving to the facilities around rightsizing operations. All of that is encouraging, but then the guide for engineering for 2026 and the color on low order intake that's a disappointing update. So on the order intake side, we just love to -- this is engineering specific, I would just love to get a better sense of what you think is behind that. Is that some weakness in the market? Is it as simple as you guys were so focused on getting the operational things right, that you missed a few opportunities? Just get a sense of why that suddenly turned bad in the second half of 2025 and how quickly can you regain the momentum on the commercial side of things?
Franco Stevanato: So first of all, the pharmaceutical market, in particular, biologics, is also robust in terms of demand for new machines that need for spectrum machine, assembly technology is very robust today. Most of the biologic market is it will move to injection and when there is also self administration and it's going to require a new special machine. So today, the order intake and the pipeline that we have in the engineering is healthy, is [indiscernible] what is the big -- nice KPI is the fact that there are repetitive orders with our historical bigger clients. So what was the same point is the fact that the sales cycle because of technicality of this line is taking a little bit longer than was expected, translating water instead to maybe receive the order, the confirmation of the order in January, February can be easily postponed a few months. This is going to -- there is why we took some more prudent approach. Another important element that we'll have to underline in 2025, the big focus of the engineering division is really to make a strong operational progress in terms of management and execution and the good KPI that we can translate to share with you is the number of site accepted tests that increased more than double in 2025 compared to 2024. This is extremely important. At the end of again, the company '25 focus our attention to execute and deliver this line. Now we are entering the new ways to new orders, repetitive orders with our clients. This take a little bit more muted what are our expectation. But the outlook in the medium term is strong growth in the engineering division.
Operator: Next question is from Patrick Donnelly, Citi.
Patrick Donnelly: Maybe one on the high-value solutions side, it seems like you guys are guiding 47%, 48% of revenue for that segment. Can you just talk about where we are on kind of the utilization capacity side? I know you guys are ramping Fishers you're renting Latina in terms of utilization. Are you still capacity constrained with the high value side? Just wondering where we are on the capacity side versus the demand? Are there areas where demand is outpacing capacity would be helpful just to talk through that piece?
Franco Stevanato: So capacity in Stevanato Group in particular for prefilled syringes through the format of Nexa syringes, Alba syringes and cartridges to play a role in 2025, practically, we run approximately full capacity intervenor. And also this is translating the ramping up that we're doing in Latin in particular with good success, the ramp-up that we are doing in Fisher. So also in 2026, we will follow this nice positive momentum where the demand is robust, practically in all our high-value product, but the capacity have played a role '25. It will play a role also in 2026 for Stevanato Group.
Patrick Donnelly: That's helpful. And then maybe one for Mark. Just on the margin expansion here. Again, obviously, the mix helps to degree within the high-value stuff that is helpful here with GLP growth. Can you just talk about the moving pieces on the margins the right way to think about the path forward here as high value becomes a bigger and bigger piece of the pie? And then I guess, flowing that into just the cash flow piece, how you continue to drive an inflection there? It seems like a little bit positive this year.
Lisa Miles: Patrick, just to clarify, I think you're asking about '26 or are you asking about '25?
Patrick Donnelly: Yes. '26 margin expansion and just the drivers of cash flow into '26 as well.
Marco Dal Lago: Yes. Thanks for the question. So overall, Stevanato Group level, we are assuming in our guidance as mentioned, the center point of the guidance, 7.5% revenue growth and 8.3% on a constant currency basis. About margin, we see margin expansion from 0 to 30 basis points on a consolidated level. Operating profit margin ended 50 basis points at the center point of our guidance and adjusted EBITDA margin expanding for approximately 150 basis points. Gross profit margin, we can put together some headwinds and tailwinds. On the headwind side, for sure, we can mention higher depreciation were compared with 2025, we expect approximately 150, 170 basis both more in depreciation on industrial business. We have currency headwind embedded in our guidance. And on the positive side, instead, we have on top of the 2 new facilities where we can see quarter after quarter, the financial performance is improving, both in Latina and Fishers. So we are on the right track there to keep on expanding profitability -- and that's briefly also engineering. Frank already mentioned the market and revenue guidance. What I can tell is that we anticipate better margin in 2026 compared to 2025, mainly driven by the project mix. We are targeting more textile contracts with respective customers. So not really customized mines as we did in the past. And also, we will leverage the optimization plan we executed in 2024 and 2025. So we have -- this is embedded in our model and in our guidance for 2026.
Operator: Next question is from Doug Schenkel, Wolfe Research.
Douglas Schenkel: Good day, everybody, and thank you for taking the questions. I have 3, I'll just throw them out there and then listen to your answers. So one, is there any change in how you're thinking about the long-term growth outlook for GLP-1s for your business? Two, more near term, how strong is your visibility on demand pursuant to the assumption you embedded into guidance for GLPs, which I think is high teens growth in 2026. And then third, thinking about Lilly's multi-dose quick pen format, how do the economics differ between formats for Stevanato and really getting at vials versus cartridges?
Franco Stevanato: What is related to the GLP-1 in 2026, practically were just executing the foreign cast that we share with our clients today and have already everything is embedded in our guidance that we are sharing with you today. We have already all the problem that was clear our clients. So what is beyond the 2026 it's a little bit too early to make any type of grand because there are a lot of moving pieces in the GLP-1. We see the big originator that are moving between, also the pen injector, they're launching also cartage new requirement, thanks to their fixed dose span. -- also, we see a lot of biosimilar in the market that continues to be very, very active to put capacity both for syringes, for cartridges, also from the devices. So the GLP-1 in the next decade, it will continue to be a powerful tailwinds for Stevanato, for all the industry but it's a little bit too early to understand what to be the final configuration between originator, biosimilar pen versus out injector.
Lisa Miles: I think that answer covers all of your questions, just to confirm.
Douglas Schenkel: Yes. I think the only thing, Lisa, was just the economics of the different formats.
Lisa Miles: In terms of syringes, cartridges vials, so on and so forth.
Douglas Schenkel: Also here, sorry.
Franco Stevanato: Most of the GLP-1 products are under syringe Nexa that's a high-value product or cartridge is to feed that is also a high-value product. We have biosimilar a lot of requirement through our Alina's a high-value product this is practically the tendency is to answer to you that GLP-1 is going to be in a configuration of high-value products because of the EZ-fill or through Alina for Stavanato Group.
Operator: Next question is from David Windley.
David Windley: I just wanted to clarify definitionally, when you are talking about GLP-1s, are you including the full gamut of mechanisms that are kind of pursuing obesity. So GLP-1 glucagon non-incretinglucagon. Are we kind of generally bucketing all of that together for definitional purposes?
Franco Stevanato: Correct. I confirm.
David Windley: And then as you think about -- I think you talked about Nexus syringe being the strongest driver of growth in '25. Franco, you just commented to Doug's question about the kind of '27 and beyond outlook being a little less clear because of the transition, I guess in '26 on that guidance that you're giving for this GLP-1 or obesity category, is that still driven by Nexa syringe or do you see that start -- you mentioned in the prepared remarks some uptake in capacity in cartridge in your next phases of capacity, is cartridge kind of overtaking the growth lead as we move into '26 and beyond?
Franco Stevanato: In 2026, Nexa syringes, it will continue to play an important role in the GLP-1s, David. Beyond the 2026 is also true that we are building a lot of capacity on the cartridges to fill, still minor compared to syringe Nexa but we are starting also to see that the customer originator and also biosimilars, they're starting to put new capacity not only on syringes but for cartridges in the next year to come beyond '26.
David Windley: And if I could just sneak in a follow-up on the margin question. Would you be able to size -- maybe this is a Marco question, but size the tariff and FX headwinds to margin so we kind of understand what the gross improvement was from the mix shift to HBS, but offset by tariffs and FX, please?
Marco Dal Lago: Yes. Sure. We mentioned the top line about EUR 20 million currency headwind, assuming our model, EUR 1.20 exchange rate that you know in the last days there was volatility, but this is what we have in our model. You can assume about 30% of that is impact in margins for 2026. About tariffs, we have been able to have a good dialogue with our customers, mainly predominantly transferring the effect of tariffs to customers in 2025, we had about 4 million headwinds, but it was mainly related to supply chain and the time to transfer the different scenario. So we are assuming limited impact from tariffs in 2026.
Operator: Next question is from Paul Knight, KeyBanc.
Paul Knight: Franco, after the 50% growth in GLP-1 last year, your mid-upper teens guide on '26 seems a bit conservative. Is it because Fishers is just ramping or what's behind this guide on GLP ones for this year?
Franco Stevanato: No, I think it's core because the pharmaceutical industry, in particular, all the originators, the launch the product on the market in 2025. There was a massive preparation of the supply chain. Now to have a mid-teens growth in this in this category of drugs is still very important. I think it is a realistic number, Paul. When there is a takeoff of the product, when starting the product as to really go commercial. So this is what we see through our originator also to our biosimilar clients.
Lisa Miles: Paul, perhaps it's best to think about it of an initial surge, followed by a period of normalization where growth slows a bit.
Paul Knight: Yes. And then you had mentioned earlier a 45% increase in customers using high-value product. What's driving that? Is it share gain is [ NX1 ] regulations? Is it recent approvals that have been the right ones for you? What's behind that 45% customer gain?
Franco Stevanato: On the non-biologic, you mean? Yes, this is our most important KPI in Stevanato Group. So the strategy that we're building since the day of the IPO of Stevanato Group is to become the partner of the pharmaceutical industry and everything that is around biologic where the good news that more than 60% of biologic, it will be through injection through a certain indication for devices. This has to become our big #1 strategy. And this is exactly what we are executing. Today, we are deeply engaged on Nexa syringes program. We are deeply engaged on Alba program. Syringes can move from 1 ml to 2.25 ml to 3 ml to 5 ml cartridge is the same format because both cartridges and syringes are going to be inserted on pen on auto-injector. Also, we are heavily investing in capacity for device space to our Alina clean room that we are building up in Germany and also for other selective program of [indiscernible] in Germany. Also, we have a big contract with American client in Fisher. So everything is going to summarize that where there is an injection want to be in. The real future in the next 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 years are the incremental value that we'll be able to generate spread through several tens of hundreds of programs worldwide through biologic and biosimilar, mostly United States, in Europe and also is growing rapidly. This is a big long-term strategy of Stevanato.
Operator: Next question is from Calum Times, Morgan Stanley
Unknown Analyst: Beyond GLP-1s, I'd love to get a better sense of what you're seeing across the biologic category today. I realize there's a lot of GLP focus just given the relative growth profile. But curious how other biologic categories have been performing, how customer discussions have been trending? Any positives? Any pressure points? And then what's just being assumed from these categories in the guide for.
Franco Stevanato: So the category are practically monoclonal antibody. We have a wide range of biosimilar spread in a different region of the world. We are focused on mono infirmatory rare disease, all products that are going to require an injection or a certain medication. So there's a combination for Stevanato over Nexa syringes, [indiscernible] fill with at or injectors will be great to a little later thought as well on U.S. onshoring.
Unknown Analyst: Obviously, Fishers should be well positioned for that. Any early discussions or insights you could share with us to just better understand the time lines for benefits here and when we could expect something to appear in the P&L. Do you want to say sure you mean?
Franco Stevanato: Yes. Today, the price of Fishers play an important role when we decide in 2002, and we started to develop these plans -- this was really the purpose to be the campus that was going to mirror exactly the same capability that we have in Europe in particular for easy-fitchnology. -- with a different range of syringes, vary to files for devices. Today, what we see that many clients that are addressing their supply chain in United States and the fact that we are present in future with this why the capability is play all translating water, we can really accelerate additional opportunity for customers on to utilize the supply chain.
Operator: Next question is from Larry Solow, CJS Securities.
Lawrence Solow: Great. I guess just lots of information GLPs and all that. I really appreciate it. I guess from your seat today, and I won't hold you to this, but as we look out over the next 5 years, do you think the GLPs in summary, will, in aggregate, will still be driving 10% plus growth to Stevanato on a top line basis? What's your confidence level on that?
Franco Stevanato: So we -- I think it will be -- continue to benefit on the GLP-1 in the future like a tailwinds. So the good news of the GLP-1 is this is information that we share constantly with our clients. We see quarters after quarters that the number of patients are going to increase and the large. So this is the good news. So from the moment that they launched, we also all our clients that they see more upside downside a number of the new customers. More and more, what we see that there are new opportunities for Stevanato on Nexa syringes, the opportunity for cartridges to fill and also for our device space. So I can see that it will be a long always for Stevanato that we help to further boost our biological revenue I don't know if after 5 years, it will continue to be in double digit because in [indiscernible] is also rapidly growing in other therapy that is so-called biologic. And this is are all high-value product like albacore our pen Liana or high format on cartridges.
Lawrence Solow: That's all fair. What about just the RTU vials you mentioned 2025, obviously, had a nice rebound 24 down years. What can you give us a little more granularity on sort of how the year finished up and your outlook for '26 in that market?
Marco Dal Lago: Yes, Marco speaking. As forecast, let's say, we went up about 6% in 2025, predominantly, we grew in asteric ratio. And this is where we see more traction also for 2026 where we expect a mid- to high single-digit growth, predominantly driven by the configuration. Another other point, orders intake in '25 was double digit higher than 2024. So we see the to is not a sharp increase, but we see increasing [indiscernible] demand.
Lawrence Solow: Got you. And then if I could just squeeze one more in. Just Latina Fishers the trajectory of profitability. Where do we kind of stand? And I know Latin is a little bit ahead and Fishers is larger. But where do we stand and when do we kind of hit full run rate profitability? When do you think we can start closing in on that?
Marco Dal Lago: We are going to the right direction. We see quarter-after-quarter better financial performances, the side operational performance, and we are growing quantities and that leverage our fixed expenses. We are very well positioned in Latina, where we are getting close to our average gross profit margin. Fishers, we are a little bit behind, but we see steady improvement of Fishers. That's difference as mentioned many times between the 2 plants. Latina is a smaller plant is about field, and we ramp up more rapidly than in Fishers. Fishers is a more complex plan with different type of products, syringes, vials, [indiscernible] , the drug delivery system. So we are progressing. We are improving going to the right direction, but it will take longer compared with Latina. Today, the gross profit margin is positive on the combination plants still dilutive compared to the average of the company and the average of this segment.
Franco Stevanato: If I can give a sort of business angle. In Latin, we have continued the installation of the line for high-speed line for syringe. We are continuing to orient our regional customers to national customers. And this year, we're going to install the first high-speed line forecast is way to fill, but the goal is to do the validation is yet to start to do commercial revenue in the beginning of 2027 and in Fisher continues to perform audit to our big international clients in order to become particular domestic United States. In fact we have doubled the number of audit validation in 2025. Important milestone that we are advancing with the build-out of this bigger apartment production that is still expected to produce out in get for one big U.S. client at the end of this year.
Operator: Next question is from Matt Larew, William Blair.
Matthew Larew: The first is starting on GLPs, maybe the question on historically
Lisa Miles: I'm sorry. We cannot hear you at all. Can you speak up a little bit?
Matthew Larew: Sure. Can you hear me now?
Lisa Miles: A little bit better.
Matthew Larew: Okay. So you've historically said that you expect orals to be about 30% or 1/3 of the market. And I would say, investor expectations on that metric have moved quite a bit since the oral [indiscernible] launch. So you've addressed GLP growth for next year and reference for the next couple of years, but how do you feel about that metric? And I guess, in discussions with your customers, how are they viewing that metric?
Franco Stevanato: Yes. So for sure, this is -- we are putting a lot of attention on this evolution of the pie, and we have a lot of point of contact with our clients, both the originator and the biosimilar. We look at what are the key opinion leaders are sharing. Our peers are customers also, I know that all the banks are very well prepared on this. [indiscernible] we are going to confirm that the share between injection spread between cartridges or syringes, which we represented the majority in the range of 70% and oral to be the minority in the range of 30%. Now what also we see, like I also mentioned to all of you before, we see this is information that we receive from the market the number of total patients worldwide, it will continue to increase month after month. And we don't see cannibalization between injection to the order because they are targeting to different type of patients today. So this is our internal estimation. From a supply chain point of view, what do we do because this is another important [indiscernible] if you look at the number of lines that the pharmaceutical industry is installing for syringes, for cartridges, and the number of lines for assembly technology for pen injector both into the originator into the biosimilar and to the CMO is still high. There's a big program of massive investment for injection in the next year to come on a worldwide basis.
Matthew Larew: Okay. And on non-GLP biologics, sort of backing into maybe that being up mid-teens. Does that sound right? And then you referenced in the deck large global pipeline, I think, 60% of the 9,000 molecules. So what's your expectation for non-GLP biologics going forward. And I think that's generally speaking, all high-value demand. I guess if you could confirm that as well.
Franco Stevanato: Usually, this non biologic product are a very rich that are maybe not in big size, it's difficult that to go in the range of hundreds of millions, in the range of tens of millions. They're looking -- because of the specific of this large molecule, they're looking for particular drugs, particular primary packaging with particular coating, particularly, for example, we are engaged with our Alba syringe because they have a special plasma coating. We are engaged with particular [indiscernible] silicon syringes with particular Nexa syringes and also different format. We see more and more moving to 3 mls to 5 today. That's something that is a little bit new on the market, usually the autoinjector pen used to stop at 3ml. So all overall, we see several hundred of programs spread to many customers meet the top 25 customer and some hundred of biosimilars that are extremely active to build capacity in this way. So what we are doing in Stevanato Group, we are building a supply chain through our engineering division, with particularly line dedicated to be able to be fast and flexible to serve these customers. So we want to keep a few [indiscernible] Latina in particular United States to be able to serve this wide range of products that are moving from syringes to [indiscernible] fee through our device colleagues. We are ready with our out injector, in particular also with our pen Alina or in a selective way when we already serve the syringes of the cartridges, we afflict CMO. So I want to reiterate our real strategy in Stevanato is really to say where there is an injection, self-administration, we want to be always on the #1 on the #2 for this product.
Matthew Larew: Okay. And just one follow-up. You referenced the contract manufacturing opportunities and maybe that will be ramping end of this year into next year. How do you expect the economics of that business to look for you relative to the BDS business and your engineering segment?
Marco Dal Lago: So we are not classifying the CMO as IPO. Nevertheless, we see the specific projects in a high range of normal value solutions. And as mentioned many times, we are taking here a selective approach with customers, leveraging this particular case, the integration between syringes and injectors, all the capabilities we have tool with very important customers. So we are using this strategy, taking a selective approach, especially where we can leverage integration.
Operator: Last question is from Curtis Moiles BNP Paribas Exane.
Curtis Moiles: Great. I think you've already given a lot of color here. But on the High Value Solutions guidance for 47% to 48% of revenue, I just wanted to clarify, are you thinking that will be primarily driven by GLP-1s? Or maybe can you separate the contribution from syringes versus kind of files and cartridges?
Marco Dal Lago: It's a level of detail we don't provide. What I can tell you is that we are increasing our high-value solution next year double digit -- low teens if we consider constant currency rate. So we are growing both and other biologics next year.
Curtis Moiles: And then also just I think earlier in the call, you mentioned that you could consider some additional actions around permitting away from the non-HPS categories. Can you maybe give a little color about what you're thinking about there?
Lisa Miles: I'm sorry, Curtis. We missed a portion of your question as you were dropping out. Can you please repeat?
Curtis Moiles: Sorry, Yes, of course, I think in the beginning of the call, you mentioned that you could consider actions around pivoting away from non-high-value solutions categories in the future. I was just wondering if you can comment on what you're thinking about there.
Lisa Miles: Yes. Thank you for clarifying that.
Franco Stevanato: Yes. Today, the focus in Stevanato Group also the investment or the attention of all our colleagues is on building capacity and to become the partner of this biologic market for high-value product and this is a while, for example, what you had to do to select, we are going maybe to the privatized the [indiscernible] for example, this historical product is good to produce in certain regions of the market, but in particular, in your United States, the goal is to focus to become the #1, #2 in the new product. Or for example, another example, in Germany, we have built this new big [indiscernible] room in order to host the production for line originally in this screen room we used to produce a standard in [indiscernible] forecast. We have decided to use this space, important space this now how to start to ramp up in the next years Salina the type of the prioritization that we are looking in the next year's focus on biologic high-value products. And when there is no strategic customer behind the strategic market, we try really to do some [indiscernible]
Operator: Ms Miles, gentlemen, there are no more questions registered at this time.
Lisa Miles: Thank you, everyone. That concludes today's call, and we'll be seeing you shortly. Have a good day.
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