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Operator: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Howard Hughes Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Joe Valane, General Counsel. Please go ahead.
Joseph Valane: Good morning, and welcome to the Howard Hughes Holdings third quarter 2025 earnings call. With me today are Bill Ackman, Executive Chairman; David O'Reilly, Chief Executive Officer; Ryan Israel, Chief Investment Officer; and Carlos Olea, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to direct you to our website, www.howardhughes.com, where you can download both our third quarter earnings press release and our supplemental package. The earnings release and supplemental package include reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures that will be discussed today, in relation to their most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Certain statements made today that are not in the present tense or that discuss the company's expectations are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Although the company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are based upon reasonable assumptions, we can give no assurance that these expectations will be achieved. Please see the forward-looking statement disclaimer in our third quarter earnings press release and the risk factors in our SEC filings for factors that could cause material differences between forward-looking statements and actual results. We are not under any duty to update forward-looking statements unless required by law. I will now turn the call over to our CEO, David O'Reilly.
David O'Reilly: Thanks, Joe, and good morning, everyone. I'm going to start with a quick overview of the quarter and some highlights for Howard Hughes Communities. Carlos will walk through guidance and our cash flow outlook, before handing it over to Bill and Ryan to share updates on our holding company strategy. We delivered another strong quarter across every business segment, underscoring the strength of our real estate platform and the value of our transformation into a diversified holding company. Starting with our MPC segment. We had a record quarter, generating $205 million EBT, driven by strong land sales in Summerlin. We sold 319 acres at roughly $795,000 an acre. That included a single 231-acre bulk sale of raw undeveloped land sold at a 75% margin, but below our average price per acre since it required no upfront infrastructure. Excluding that one transaction, the rest of our land averaged about $1.7 million per acre. We earned more than $14.5 million in builder price participation, reflecting continued home price growth in Summerlin. In Bridgeland, land sales remain steady, and we're gearing up for the grand opening of Teravalis in Phoenix later this month. Model homes are open, builders are active and momentum is strong at Floreo. While broader national headlines point to slower home sales, we are once again seeing the opposite in our communities, delivering strong results to counter current headlines. Our perpetual cycle of value creation and self-funding model, combined with limited competition continues to give us a major edge. As a result, we expect to finish the year with record high residential land sales, record pricing and a record full year MPC EBT. Given this performance, we're once again raising our full year MPC guidance. Moving to operating assets. NOI grew 5% year-over-year to $68 million, driven by leasing momentum across the portfolio. Office NOI was up 7%, thanks to strong activity in Colombia and the expiration of some large abatements. We signed 55,000 square feet of new or expanded office leases and the stabilized office portfolio ended the quarter 89% leased. Multifamily NOI grew 2% as new projects in Summerlin and Bridgeland continued leasing ahead of plan. Our stabilized multifamily portfolio is now 96% leased. Retail NOI was up 9% year-over-year, led by great performance at Ward Village and Merriweather District. Our stabilized retail portfolio remains above 90% leased. Turning to strategic developments. We reached a new record with $1.4 billion in condo presales, led by Melia and Ilima, our 12th and 13th towers at Ward Village. Both are off to an incredible start and already collectively 57% presold. The Launiu in Ward Village and the Ritz-Carlton Residences in The Woodlands are now 68% and 74% presold, respectively. Beyond condo sales, we broke ground on the Memorial Hermann Medical Office Building in Bridgeland, the first step in what we expect will become a 1 million square foot medical district. And right after quarter end, we completed 1 Riva Row, a 268-unit luxury multifamily property along The Woodlands Waterway. That project sets a new bar for multifamily living in the area and will meaningfully contribute to NOI once stabilized. What's most exciting is how the cash flow generated across our communities is reinvested right back into value-creating developments. Projects like Ilima and Melia at Ward Village, or 1 Riva Row in The Woodlands, each one is a perfect example of how we recycle capital to grow both future cash flows and long-term net asset value across our portfolio. It's been a busy and rewarding quarter across Howard Hughes Communities, and I couldn't be prouder of how our teams continue to execute. With that, I'll hand it over to Carlos.
Carlos Olea: Thanks, David, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with the recent financings, followed by guidance updates and our view on cash flow generation. We refinanced about $114 million of near-term maturities during the quarter, pushing them out into 2026 and beyond, including loans at 3831 Technology Forest, Wingspan and 6100 Merriweather. As a result, our 2025 maturities are down to just $76 million, which we expect to refinance before the end of the year. Turning to guidance. Strong land sales across our MPCs led us to raise full year EBT guidance to $450 million at the midpoint, up $20 million from prior guidance. 2025 will be another record-breaking year. Now not every year will look like this, but it shows the power of our model when all cylinders are firing. Land sales bring residents, residents drive demand for retail and office, and that demand pushes land values even higher. Operating assets also performed well this quarter, so we're reaffirming full year NOI guidance of $267 million, which is another company record. Our ability to control supply within our MPCs with little to no outside competition continues to be a key advantage. On condos, we're adjusting our full year revenue target slightly down $15 million to $360 million, reflecting a small timing shift for Ulana closings into early 2026. Ulana remains fully sold and is expected to deliver at breakeven. More importantly, our future pipeline is stronger than ever with $1.4 billion of presales this quarter across Melia, Ilima and the Ritz-Carlton Residence at Woodlands. These projects will generate meaningful cash flows over the next 5 years. On G&A, we're maintaining guidance between $76 million and $86 million with a midpoint of $81 million. That excludes approximately $13 million of anticipated noncash stock compensation, $10 million of severance expenses and $4 million related to Pershing Square variable advisory fee incurred year-to-date. However, it does include $10 million for Pershing Square's base advisory fee, which we've largely offset through earlier workforce reductions and other cost efficiencies. Finally, given our outperformance, we are raising adjusted operating cash flow guidance to $440 million or $7.86 per diluted share, up $30 million from our prior outlook. What's important is what we do with that cash flow, is reinvested into our communities to generate even greater value. The projects David mentioned from new condominium towers like Melia and Ilima to value creation developments like 1 Riva Row are exactly where that cash goes, driving higher net asset value and future cash flow generation. With that, I'll hand it over to Bill and Ryan.
William Ackman: Thank you, Carlos. So my update is really an update about our progress in acquiring an insurance company that will become a base really for the transformation of Howard Hughes into a diversified holding company. Good news is that we've made substantial progress. We identified a target. We've done a significant amount of due diligence. We've done a significant amount of due diligence. We've come to an agreement on price. The seller has begun drafting definitive agreements. We are still deep in the due diligence process. It is possible that something would emerge that would cause us not to go forward. But based on the work we've done to date; I'm actually growing confidence that the transaction will be completed. And I would say we may be in a position to announce something as early as end of year or possibly in the first quarter. So we're pleased with that progress. I look forward to sharing more details, but a significant development for the company for sure, assuming we can execute on this transaction. That's really my only announcement. The only other point I would make with respect to what Carlos said, our priority with respect to the cash flows that are generated from our real estate subsidiary are to invest whatever required to continue to build kind of the best places for people to live in the country. The good news is even after that reinvestment of cash into equity to build a downtown office buildings, apartments, the next condominium project, we project that Howard Hughes will generate substantially -- the real estate subsidiary with substantially more cash than we can even spend in that division of the business. Over time, that will generate cash that we can flow up to the holding company that will give us more flexibility in building out our diversified holding company strategy. With that, why don't we open it for questions.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Anthony Paolone from JPMorgan.
Anthony Paolone: First question relates to just superpad sales. Those seem to be pretty successful in the quarter. And I'm just wondering, like what -- how do you think of the trade-off of doing more of those and the NPV of just taking the discount and not having to do all the infrastructure and just letting those go versus holding them and taking them a little bit further down and selling more groups of lots as opposed to the superpad?
David O'Reilly: Tony, thanks for the question. It's David. Look, I think that this was a rare situation where we had a piece of land. And if you remember from the time when you were in Summerlin, it's what we used to call the back bowl. It was due south of the Summit development. It was a particular piece of land that had an unusually high expense of bringing infrastructure to. And in this unique situation, by selling that superpad at a lower net price per acre or lower gross price per acre, but higher net price per acre, we were able to generate great cash flow for the company. In general, going forward, we don't have another parcel like that. So you should expect us to transact on superpads going forward, consistent with the way we have the past several quarters at a much higher gross and net price per acre.
Anthony Paolone: Okay. Got it. And then just my other question just shifts more over to Bill and thinking about this, the insurance company that you've got teed up. Should we anticipate that like after doing a deal like the one you're contemplating, that uses up the bulk of your sort of capital today? Or do you think you'll have more capacity thereafter to do more deals? And just wondering kind of where this leaves you.
William Ackman: Sure. So we think -- so one, it will consume the available cash that we've injected into the company. And our -- the reason why we're focused on insurance as sort of our first initiative is it's a business that we can contribute very significant value to. If you look at -- again, if we take our Berkshire Hathaway model and look at Buffett achieved over time, my estimate -- our estimate is something like 70% to 80% of the value of the company was created with the launch of insurance strategy and an approach to writing business that created a lot of flexibility for the insurer to, I would say, have more flexible investment approach. So Buffett historically wrote very little risk relative to capital and invested relatively small amount of assets relative to capital, but invested those assets, about 2/3 of those assets in common stocks and did so effectively. And the beauty of the insurance business is insurance generates a lot of cash. You don't need to issue stock every time you do a deal in the insurance business, you write premium, you collect cash. And over time, you invest that capital and earn a return on the assets and hopefully make money on the insurance side of the business. If we can achieve both of those objectives, combining kind of Pershing Square's investment expertise with a talented management team running a diversified insurance company platform, we think that asset alone can compound and grow and become a material -- very significant contributor to the growth of the company, the growth of our intrinsic value over time. And then as the real estate subsidiary generates cash that's not needed in the real estate business, that's what's going to give us flexibility to make investments in other assets over time. But insurance is clearly our first priority.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Alexander Goldfarb from Piper Sandler.
Alexander Goldfarb: So 2 questions. First, David, only 57% presold on the new condos in Hawaii, I'd expect better out of you guys, just kidding. As far as Ward Village goes, where do you stand on the existing entitlements? And meaning how many more can you build? And what is the status on Phase 2? Is that something that you could see approvals for and launch in the next few years or Phase 2 of Ward Village is something that's maybe 5 or 10 years out?
David O'Reilly: Alex, great question. Look, I would say that we're thrilled with our 57% presale of over $1.4 billion this quarter and see continued momentum as those projects are super unique and on the best remaining development side in the South Shore of Oahu. In terms of the initial entitlements, we had through the master development agreement at Ward Village. Beyond these 2 towers, Melia and Ilima, there is one more site that will use the remaining square feet. Beyond that, we do have approval for an incremental square feet, and that incremental square feet could be between $2 million and $4 million depending on the zoning upsizes we get by reinvesting into the community. So we're already well underway in predevelopment of incremental towers in addition to what we had by right under our original master development agreement.
Alexander Goldfarb: Okay. That's helpful. And then, Bill, following up on Anthony's question. I realize, obviously, there's a lot of confidentiality, but just big picture, can you just give us some color? Is this pure B2B, as you described before? And is everything in this entity clean? Or are there businesses that you'd want to exit or any legacy -- policies or legacy lines that need to be settled or anything like that?
William Ackman: Look, it's -- I would say it's a very clean transaction for us. It's a platform, kind of a diversified insurance company platform that really fits our -- the criteria that we've outlined. So no business lines that we need to exit. It's not a consumer-facing insurer. Yes.
Alexander Goldfarb: And can you indicate whether it's domestic or Bermuda or somewhere offshore?
William Ackman: I would say it's -- as many insurers are as a domestic practice and an offshore practice.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Jon Petersen from Jefferies.
Jonathan Petersen: Curious if you could maybe just give us a little more commentary on the Ritz-Carlton Residences at The Woodlands and how that is trending relative to your initial underwriting and then opportunities for other condo projects across the portfolio? Clearly, Ward Village has been a big success and your kind of translating that over to The Woodlands. But where else might we see future condo projects across your...
William Ackman: I'll take the first part of your question. So this has been a bit of a tussle between me and David O'Reilly in the sense that the team designed an absolutely spectacular project, first of its kind in The Woodlands. And I took a look at this project, and I said, we're giving it away at these prices. And I said, you know what, the community just needs to see this thing built before. So you know what, don't sell any more than half the units. That was our deal, and then I stepped off as Chair of the Board. And unbeknown to me, David has been sneaking out a few units because he achieved prices that he just felt he obligated to sell. That's really the answer.
David O'Reilly: But we're hitting record prices.
William Ackman: Yes. And so David has continued to -- look, I think it's tremendous value. So for the buyers in the market, I mean, I compare this the quality is of a what you might call billionaire row quality like 220 Century Park South, if you know the building, also a Robert Stern design in New York City that achieved just massive, massive premium over everything else in the market. This is that kind of building, but it's really the first condominium built in the Woodlands. And we just felt that we should be very judicious about the way we sell units. We could have sold the entire project on a presale basis. And when you compare to Hawaii, Hawaii, we're extremely well established. Everyone knows the quality of the product that we build. And while the team continues to kind of raise price weekly as we sell units, the general goal in Hawaii is to sell 100% of the project or nearly 100% before we even put a shovel on the ground, right? Whereas in -- we just felt in that light of the fact we're delivering a first of its kind in The Woodlands that we would achieve a better outcome if we were kind of slow walked units until the project is open. So I'm hoping David is going to keep some units, so I can prove my point about what we're going to achieve when people can actually see the finished product.
David O'Reilly: No doubt. We're about 75% sold now. We have a little over a year before we're ready to welcome our first units, first residents into those units. And we're optimistic that the remaining units that we're holding back right now, we'll be able to sell upon completion when people can see, touch and feel the incredible quality that we're going to deliver. To the second half of your question, John, there are a couple of sites in addition to the Ritz-Carlton site for future condo projects in The Woodlands, and we're evaluating those real-time, determining where we think deep demand will be, what price per foot that is, what size of units are, et cetera. And we're also evaluating a couple of sites in and around Summerlin, where we could leverage the expertise and skill of our team in Ward Village across the rest of our portfolio to deliver great cash flow results for the company.
Jonathan Petersen: Okay. All right. That's very helpful. And then maybe I think...
William Ackman: I got a question for David. What's the spread in price per square foot we've achieved on the later sold units versus the first sold units in the Woodlands? How much of the price per square foot has gone up on a kind of comparable unit?
David O'Reilly: And well -- one of the challenging parts is that with the Bob Stern design is there are very few comparable units. In general, we've seen from kind of our initial sales to where we are today about $350 to $400 a foot.
William Ackman: Increase?
David O'Reilly: Increase.
William Ackman: And the average sale price now is what per square foot?
David O'Reilly: Really high.
William Ackman: That's just a precise number. You understand the point. This is the kind of asset that I think to generate the maximize the profit. We don't have -- we're not like a typical developer that has to sell all the units before you can get a construction loan. So for us, we can be thoughtful about the pace of sale to maximize the NPV of the project.
Jonathan Petersen: Okay. All right. That makes sense. And then at Teravalis, I was in the Phoenix Airport recently, saw you guys have some advertisements up there to [indiscernible] people out to that community. Just curious, I mean, just remind me, like what should we be expecting in terms of MPC land sales maybe in 2026 or maybe if you want to give me a multiyear outlook? Like just remind me on where you guys are at on rolling that out.
David O'Reilly: Yes, absolutely. So we're in a great spot right now. We've sold about 1,000 lots year-to-date in Teravalis, and that will be enough to keep us busy for the near-term future. I think you may be able to see us sell some incremental lots in 2026, but 2027 will probably be a year where we re-up after those lots that we sold this year end up in the hands of residents and homebuyers. We're excited this Friday. We have our official grand opening at Teravalis. We've already sold our first few lots to different residents that will be constructing their homes right now. And we're incredibly excited with the progress that we've seen and how fast those communities come together.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Alexander Goldfarb from Piper Sandler.
Alexander Goldfarb: David, I realize that it's not the fourth quarter and we have to hold off on guidance, but still, the pace of your increases, especially in the land business has been pretty incredible this year. And is there something sort of a ballpark? I think you're tracking $440 million at the midpoint for '25. Is there something that we should be thinking of for '26? So either, one, we don't get too far ahead of ourselves or maybe the pace that you've delivered this year is sort of a new run rate is something sustainable?
David O'Reilly: Alex, I think it is pretty early right now to feel comfortable providing any sort of guidance on 2026 land sales. I think that 2025 has been remarkable. We've raised guidance twice. Clearly, we didn't expect to see this strength when we gave guidance a little bit less than a year ago. I think that at this point, I would not advise anyone to extrapolate this year's results into growing future -- further into the future. I think we're going to take it quarter-by-quarter. We're going to see how many homes we sell in our communities, and we're going to sell just enough land to keep up with that at the highest price per acre we possibly can.
William Ackman: But it's not going to hurt if rates come down, obviously, continue to come down.
David O'Reilly: No, I think that we've achieved these results given the quality of our community as people chase higher quality of life, shorter commutes, more connectivity in nature into these master planned communities [indiscernible] higher rates.
William Ackman: The more like New York and California move socialist, more people want to go to capitalist states like Texas and Las Vegas. [indiscernible] units has been strong. Yes.
Alexander Goldfarb: Bill, I'm impressed it only took 26 minutes for that. But David, as you look at your inventory, you feel right now there's a good balance between what the builders have bought versus their ability to deliver. Or you think they're a little long on land or a little short on land? I'm just trying to get a sense of the appetite from the homebuilders to buy more right now.
David O'Reilly: I would tell you that we are selling land to the homebuilders only to keep up with underlying home sales in our communities, and that strategy won't change. We try to keep them at an appropriate supply, which I would argue is between 12 and 18 months of finished lots or vacant developed lots. They're a little bit undersupplied right now. But we like to be a little bit undersupplied than a little bit oversupplied when we have the opportunity.
Operator: Thank you. At this time, I would now like to turn the conference back over to David O'Reilly for closing remarks.
David O'Reilly: I want to thank everyone again for joining us today. As always, if there's any follow-up or any questions, we weren't able to get to, we are always available and look forward to seeing you all soon. Thank you.
William Ackman: Thanks so much. Bye-bye.
Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.